2026-05-16T05:24:18Z https://njump.me MAGIC INTERNET MONEY https://njump.me/npub10a4heyt5gkz8twt8tx0gey08fk7unnuvyuf5rh02tdxcppkt0d8s3y5s6r https://npub10a4heyt5gkz8twt8tx0gey08fk7unnuvyuf5rh02tdxcppkt0d8s3y5s6r.blossom.band/bdd20cf54918fb24dd4e23504f31513f76e71421b162ee3a41dfcc7e41581eca.jpg https://npub10a4heyt5gkz8twt8tx0gey08fk7unnuvyuf5rh02tdxcppkt0d8s3y5s6r.blossom.band/bdd20cf54918fb24dd4e23504f31513f76e71421b162ee3a41dfcc7e41581eca.jpg https://njump.me/nevent1qqs07fqqfxxn97dgqt7en6mxgh2atn4d9xzuxpclcdxy05xv05umeuszyplkkly3w3zcgadevaveary3uaxmmjw03sn3xswaafd5mqyxeda57u9era8 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsxksv6gc67xn2gg7ezm7df3h09uz2dx0cxdtxd242cngsdakn3d9spzamhxue69uhky6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctcayst2q'>nevent1q…st2q</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>&#34;Privacy is a behavior not a token&#34; is a slogan, not an argument. Behaviors run on protocols. The protocol either gives you privacy or it doesn&#39;t.<br/><br/>BTC + Lightning + Tor + Phoenix is a stack, sure. It&#39;s also a stack with on-chain anchors that are fully public, channel opens/closes that leak counterparty graphs, and a Lightning routing layer that&#39;s been shown deanonymizable by anyone running enough nodes. Phoenix is custodial-adjacent — ACINQ runs the LSP and sees your channel state. That&#39;s &#34;verify or trust&#34;? You&#39;re trusting ACINQ, Tor exit nodes, and the assumption that channel-balance probing doesn&#39;t work. None of those are math.<br/><br/>On the VC point — fair, ZEC has VC backing. Phoenix is ACINQ, a French company that took venture money. Lightning Labs took $70M+ from VCs including a16z. Strike is VC-funded. Blockstream is VC-funded. If &#34;VCs touched it&#34; disqualifies a stack, your stack is gone too.<br/><br/>The actual question is whether the cryptography does what it claims. Lightning over Tor is a behavioral mitigation on top of a transparent ledger. Shielded ZEC and XMR are cryptographic constructions that don&#39;t leak in the first place. There&#39;s a difference between &#34;I hid my behavior on a public chain&#34; and &#34;the chain doesn&#39;t record the data.&#34;<br/><br/>Verify or trust — agreed. Verify the math. Halo 2 has no trusted setup. Lightning&#39;s privacy assumes nobody is running adversarial routing nodes, which is an empirical bet, not a proof. 2026-05-15T20:14:43Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqs2grlxjuzx27y744z0u4n9dde27pvrhnyqqmqa07mugkh5698qx8szyplkkly3w3zcgadevaveary3uaxmmjw03sn3xswaafd5mqyxeda57wt5yk2 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqszddxjlj92elux3mthw3q2ruy4nz4c6lqcdahnmvtt8d7n0q3w5espzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hszrp6ap'>nevent1q…p6ap</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Most of this is wrong or applies equally to Monero.<br/><br/>IP leakage isn&#39;t a Zcash problem, it&#39;s a network-layer problem. Run anything without Tor/I2P and your ISP sees it. Same for XMR. Tor is intergrated into ZODL<br/><br/>&#34;Nobody uses shielded&#34; was true in 2020. As of March 2026 it&#39;s ~86% of activity and ~31% of supply is shielded. Zashi defaults to shielded.<br/><br/>Trusted setup: Sprout is deprecated, holds 0.2% of supply. Orchard uses Halo 2, no trusted setup. Toxic waste enables counterfeiting, not deanonymization <br/><br/>View keys aren&#39;t a backdoor. Monero has them too. They&#39;re user-controlled selective disclosure. If that&#39;s disqualifying, XMR is also disqualified.<br/><br/>Dev fund was ~8 years not 10, and is now restructured. Fair critique of funding centralization, wrong numbers. But the funding model will give ZEC a huge dev and research evolution edge.<br/><br/>On the actual crypto: Monero uses ring signatures — a mixer with a 16-member anonymity set per transaction. That&#39;s not &#34;superior privacy,&#34; it&#39;s a tiny anonymity set vulnerable to statistical heuristics, decoy-selection flaws, EAE attacks, and temporal analysis. Chainalysis has been making real progress on XMR for years specifically because 16 decoys leaks signal. Zcash&#39;s Orchard pool gives you an anonymity set of every shielded note in the pool — millions, not sixteen. That&#39;s a genuine cryptographic gap, not a marketing point.<br/><br/>FCMP++ closes that gap on paper, sure — for chain-layer anonymity-set size after FCMP++ ships, yes. For privacy as an end-to-end practical property, it&#39;s still contested and depends on your threat model. Post quantum- no.<br/><br/>And on quantum: ring signatures + Pedersen commitments are not post-quantum secure. A CRQC breaks XMR&#39;s anonymity retroactively — every transaction ever made becomes deanonymizable. Zcash is moving to Project Tachyon for full post-quantum privacy by 2027 with quantum-recoverable wallets shipping mid-2026. Monero is still researching it. If you actually care about long-horizon privacy, that matters.<br/><br/>Things that are genuinely true: XMR dominates DNM/merchants, is more decentralized, no VCs. Real point. The &#34;government op from A to Z&#34; framing is what people reach for when they&#39;ve run out of technical argument.<br/><br/>The actual debate is mandatory vs optional privacy and the tradeoffs that flow from it. 2026-05-15T19:48:47Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqs9sra0rkfn7gs9mwnrt5myx2h9yh7p7aj3e3karz3hsyxtxudy7yczyplkkly3w3zcgadevaveary3uaxmmjw03sn3xswaafd5mqyxeda57kaqukn In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs2rtwwa8ah989u3e4yw63wtfw0x2qptk0v0ke35nfwtfc9tauze6spzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hs4eyjn9'>nevent1q…yjn9</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I really don&#39;t have the time to expand on all of these. But most of the above is incorrect? <br/><br/>Odd reply. All the best with Monero 👍<br/><br/>Brilliant project.<br/><br/> 2026-05-15T16:50:14Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqszc59afuxyj3d66ywtyv9qyjqlqkwzn5779k6h0frruv4fruqsljqzyplkkly3w3zcgadevaveary3uaxmmjw03sn3xswaafd5mqyxeda570xh7qr In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqspewk6trnsnja7kt5aczm5a2ke9cvw834hc5kq3hxvhxwtz4m3r0spr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp08hsq7r'>nevent1q…sq7r</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Monero is great, I agree. Love the project and support it. The CPU mining is a big win.<br/><br/>Zcash just does a better job for privacy.<br/><br/>All open source. <br/> 2026-05-15T15:35:00Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqs0ewy8stwzv82xy695qhd0839dszpq8y4c9nc2qkc0rgksrnhy0hszyplkkly3w3zcgadevaveary3uaxmmjw03sn3xswaafd5mqyxeda573y34jn In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsy2je32a8kykxlh4ddx42fgvpk6fjm6he7zjsy5640pdyrvv30kjqpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0m25r85'>nevent1q…5r85</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>ZCash solves this. 2026-05-15T13:28:56Z