2026-11-01T13:30:12Z https://njump.me Zest ♦️ https://njump.me/npub1n3fjxwrtvwah8fcc32jt0fh24u48a7sq7ta0lvfkr9hckc8qgfxqhl7ja9 https://doll.salon/files/0e911ca3-1b3d-489a-8e98-3f6404919066.png https://doll.salon/files/0e911ca3-1b3d-489a-8e98-3f6404919066.png https://njump.me/nevent1qqsgn2gvnkss62u4sjcxzyd89xlxrfqgua9qpau7ay85sgy47430ppgzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycv7hslt is this true? @Aco if not, can you clarify what&#39;s up with ulith&#39;s relationship to doa and if it is true, why? I know we&#39;re not supposed to get into a pissing match but ulith has been saying stuff about us, some of it untrue or exaggerated or skewed and then I saw thing about her somehow breaking doll.salon follows and it&#39;s just got me curious what&#39;s going on. people in her replies think we&#39;re an abusive cult and despite her not confirming it, she&#39;s not correcting them either (then again neither am I, yet anyways.)<br/> <img src="https://doll.salon/files/webpublic-b7bc73a3-01c7-4cef-a55d-09cbce0f90e7.jpg"> <br/> 2026-11-05T00:04:14Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqs2tnfjv3wmytcdzl592sxs2hc2vfwle7lzkm9vgjd7euuvgg58x7qzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycfpggkk In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqswrkuc6r8jd4lhuypkyywcspe7vx8az4jyn8kg2lyrmzsjapygu2gl05kjp'>nevent1q…5kjp</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>replying just to the first post before I read the rest of this thread. <br/><br/>it&#39;s a little hard for me to relate to the fear people are having. like, doxxing myself is enough of a bad idea that I generally try to avoid it, but I&#39;m not especially paranoid, I have enough experience and knowledge to think that 1. im not about to be in any legal trouble if my real identity was found out and 2. I haven&#39;t got much to lose, the people that are important to me know, and even if I lost housing and employment opportunities, I didn&#39;t have those or value them in the first place. the only reasons I live inside currently is to make my mom less scared and help my partner take care of themself. living outside is a good bit more boring some of the time, but it just makes me more productive in creative goals. if anything getting outed and losing the tiny bit of precarious footing I have on a normalish life would just free me up to pursue my goals and make video games faster. <br/>homeless people are often pretty decent company and I met like 3 other maps last time I was homeless. <br/><br/>however, I&#39;m aware that that&#39;s not practical for a lot of people. some people have actual careers that they gain a lot of their self worth through. losing their standing could be devastating, I&#39;m not sure what people like that should do, it&#39;s not like they can stop being paraphiles or stop needing community or stop valueing their livelihoods and certainly not everyone can have the same priviledges as me that make me comfortable with being on my own in the world. <br/><br/><br/>here&#39;s my level of opsec: don&#39;t say my real name or where I live or the names of anyone I know irl. obfuscate the timeline of things a little bit, use a protonmail email address that I don&#39;t use for anything else... that&#39;s it. that&#39;s all I do. push notifications are off but I just use an android phone and no vpn and no tor or anything like that. I use firefox and privacy badger which I don&#39;t even trust to help. honestly I wonder a little bit about the dangers of doxxing too because tbh my partner, Demon, was doxxed and harassed by antis as a teen and is now successfully on track to getting a phd. <br/><br/>anyways there&#39;s my thoughts on the subject. I will now read the rest of the thread. 2026-11-01T19:57:00Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqswtmvk7umzk0pjk7a33r5yjxlj7adp4jh8rll0srm8zm24sz0dpgczyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycvfmke7 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqspphg7wna8t8cm9ejhhpp0f08epv4pyg3me76cmyhlldr5t0xsmssjc6rfz'>nevent1q…6rfz</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>nevermind ig cus now the person who made me think this is calling us an abusive cult who attracts the attention of law enforcement. 2026-10-29T09:24:53Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqspphg7wna8t8cm9ejhhpp0f08epv4pyg3me76cmyhlldr5t0xsmsszyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycqdtpp2 I&#39;ve been so sleepy lately.. I&#39;m sleepy right now.<br/>sometimes I see.. certain people talking and I think.. that&#39;s never gonna happen. you&#39;re not gonna do anything, and even if you do, you&#39;ll fail, and even if you don&#39;t fail, your idea will fail on it&#39;s own because nobody is going to support you...<br/>today I saw a post like that and my thoughts went differently. I thought... why not join dolls of aco? why not join the coven of architects? <br/>maybe when I&#39;m less sleepy I&#39;ll try thinking about what it would take for me to become the person who would actually make such a suggestion rather than just thinking it.. 2026-10-27T03:07:59Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsg80uqyyym5lljr7s3w0uxt5gfh2ru2cyevqkkg69fdj0sd0tey7czyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycttv078 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsw6w9d296hp3dgwn0896xhgqvh7nm9ukprrvkr564zgwxq4997vmcvuv2fy'>nevent1q…v2fy</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>just to be clear, I&#39;m not excited about being involved in military stuff. I just said violence can be useful and so can traditions of discipline. <br/>also worth noting that the cotms operations are likely not going to start off with anything particularly flashy. <br/>we need to set goals and then create plans on how to execute those goals. and if that involves any kind of illegal activities we&#39;ll need to start to violate the &#34;doing everything while publicly visible&#34; concept in order to plan in secret. however if our operations are taken irl with legal actions, then we might need a security force and that is probably where understanding of military tactics and discipline will potentially be useful.<br/>in the context of the previous discussion it sounded like jack wants to learn about how to manipulate the narrative. that can certainly be useful online and doesn&#39;t necessarily require anything in terms of discipline. in fact, we should probably consider using AI bots to spread propaganda. 2026-10-20T16:19:09Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsxde2fq3w8snq6lcucsyr5cun7a98e6clyslkv7jn56myx20ff0tczyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppyc7rr5wm In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsxru3e8xef8lj8wmm7k4wkuewzyn8f8lhmwwhkfzu92qeshvmk4dq5034rj'>nevent1q…34rj</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I have an interest in the sense that I believe in the efficacy of violence and destruction and think that the narrative that one should never resort to those things is extremely useful to the status quo. that said, I think DoA is not in any kind of position to be using violent and destructive means, nor do I think it&#39;s ends are best suited by such means. at least not at this time. as for building the capability, at best a I can offer personalized hand to hand combat training. <br/><br/>as for the the document, while we might or might not end up using all the info in it, if anyone is interested, I kind of enjoy translating technical jargon into plain english.<br/>well I&#39;m just about the opposite of a disciplined soldier who follows orders, but how I imagine DoA working is that there can be different groups that one enters voluntarily which might be more or less demanding, and it would likely be up to individuals to figure out what level of allowing someone else to control them is appropriate for them. maybe some people might like being told to read a technical document and maybe even report on it to show their retention. I will say that I suspect for many organizations the reason the have a pretty strict minimum requirement is because they&#39;re paying some cost for each of their members, so for efficiencies sake they need a certain level of effectiveness from each person. from anthropology we don&#39;t see a lot of this behavior in tribes, however demanding rolls still need to be filled, discipline is still required. I guess what I&#39;m getting at, is I think even if we have a lax society here, it could be beneficial to develop a discipline subculture as a tool for adherents, rather than a requirement. I would recommend first studying as many different traditions of discipline as possible, then we could work on developing our own brand that fits better with the overall ethos of our community. <br/><br/>well, that&#39;s what I&#39;ve got for now, not sure if I addressed what you hoped I would. 2026-10-18T05:47:32Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqs8lwzyty62mcmvnmhv3hlhvy5h7pe6j4fndzql43ndmd3xacz5peqzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycpuptrj In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqspxgdy6v8ms9529asnl3hf3luee7qc6tuh2nhqchcchmvkaa43sqqzd59vh'>nevent1q…59vh</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>weirdly appropriate 2026-10-17T02:28:29Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsqhn3hy40u0up47t37nkm28q3yve9j4scj3sy9pu4d8yhsp9vz9xszyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppyc0jd7m2 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9lf7eckyp6mcez287yg8gn4h5cy3r3etx890l4znwz20f0zekhrq8admm7'>nevent1q…dmm7</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I actually will need you to explain what it is to me first, but I&#39;d be glad to help smooth out the writing if I think it needs it or suggest changes if I think there should be any. 2026-10-12T02:59:29Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsdvjspwk6j59a32kl809hhu6hnsh69hya23kwpqaqcxzh9cansa5szyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycn64dgk In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs8dqy3p8yy42w75lqkcu2zazs8l9smhyqeyvjuw0vwwym3pyxzh5s2yrw2r'>nevent1q…rw2r</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>yes. I suppose it can&#39;t hurt. <br/>is there anything I really need to know/do? 2026-10-10T19:27:24Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsq4t5fcfpcufkda5wjt883qqrt4ah2f2dms8ptx8cuj0f6xxfgjhszyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycjwx2pj I finally read enough that I feel confident saying I support the principles of dolls of aco. got more reading to do but, for what it&#39;s worth, the commitments meet with the approval of Zest. <br/>unless there&#39;s something I&#39;m missing or haven&#39;t gotten to, I can at least say supporting dolls of aco is a matter of course for me. just putting my money where my mouth is. <br/><br/>aco himself has pretty much appeared good and right under my scrutiny. which is honestly confusing for me. through dialogue with and observation of aco I was able to improve my measurements of my own ethical framework.. hard to state this simply, but it&#39;s like I was able to fine tune my instruments due to being able to take measurements in an exotic environment. 2026-10-09T03:47:48Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsdnvcg0h629jhm7w9zs74f62gpplvzs5qhysqcu0lfhurs4tmwzmqzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycaep04l In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs9a7sdpnmgp7punkfg4qnjk7u8dxeklhz8fwgf9jlujnd5lnl3lwczsq5xr'>nevent1q…q5xr</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>alright, it&#39;s all making sense now. <br/>so ideally we won&#39;t need a store of value because actions taken by adherents to add value should add real value by directly benefiting the community.<br/>it&#39;s easy enough to say yes to all this. <br/>questions that comes to mind: how do we establish organizational hegemony? what of dissent? will there be a method of resolving disputes? <br/><br/>and maybe a more long term thought, but how about interactions with outsiders. will there be some form of trade or exchange of favor with outsiders in good standing? <br/><br/>I guess this last thing goes into the fungibility thing maybe. how about distribution? once a resource exists, can it be distributed? and if so, how should it be? some things may be easily replicable and distributable while others may not. and of course, people will only want some things and some people might want more of specific things... all very abstract at the moment but perhaps questions that may at some point need answers. 2026-10-08T06:12:52Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsy85wes7st67jxkqhx3uxwgadyznzvfhzdsr9aegzjy8xlfsg6ahqzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppyc8nhdgh the idea of having our own economy sounds nice. we need to think/discuss on how we can construct that economy in ways that avoid some of the problems of economies that have existed/do exist. <br/><br/>so lets examine some of the basics first. <br/>I&#39;m going to ask some questions and present my current understanding of the answers but please feel free to contribute alternate answers or corrections if I&#39;m off the mark. <br/>what is an economy?<br/>it&#39;s the flow of resources through a social structure. it defines how those resources are distributed and how they move post distribution. <br/>what is currency?<br/>it&#39;s a way to turn resources and other forms of value into a more portable, durable and transferable form. <br/>it acts as a type of transmutation, storing one contribution to be exchanged for another. the intention behind a currency is to unify people by allowing something provided to one person to be tranfered to a type of gratitude from another person. <br/>it&#39;s based on trust. which is why it has to operate according to some predictable set of rules, because people trust what they can predict the behavior of. 2026-10-05T19:10:36Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsyl2r62p53j9ksrs5agdqf8s3l9sdqw72dcx8ep0awdmpz3ay6qtgzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycah03uc words are always gonna fall short of perfectly describing reality. they can be useful for thinking and for communicating those thoughts, but the more your thoughts fit neatly into words, the less accurate they probably really are. in tao there&#39;s the saying &#34;the way that can be named (put into words) is not the (true) way.&#34; <br/><br/>parenthesis because I&#39;ve seen different translations of the phrase and I&#39;m trying to represent it as fully as I can. 2026-10-05T18:59:07Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsyqzhvykcaeyrlduhvvqrgwrgylsjkansxqwxyvk4s9v3mur2v7dszyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppyc94z9hd In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs09jf708pt47lkfk6up5dzepklrzfpaq7v9qsy84gup8a3hpl0gnsgj2l6s'>nevent1q…2l6s</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>well, I&#39;m honored to be on this empty lot with you as it stands. <br/>of course you&#39;re right, with the way you do things it will take time and gathering more people before much of a shape forms. <br/>one thing I learned from trying to design a tabletop rpg is that even people who love fantasy and role playing and can come up with and play an interesting character in D&amp;D are not necessarily that imaginative. if you don&#39;t give them a limited set of options, a lot of times they just completely don&#39;t know what to do. well it&#39;s pretty anecdotal but, I met another DM (cute teen boy btw) on a train who reported a similar experience. 2026-10-04T07:16:27Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqstgmtgfxrlvl555yssnqt5c89xf5nd5d02f6e8hlm995uacqggtkqzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppyc4t054j In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs2mrx2y0zpqfsz9rva3gxj9rft0vam7s54mjapluerqpksaru6xvckd96py'>nevent1q…96py</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>it&#39;s mostly the same for me. there&#39;s some concern for me though because my partner is almost fully &#34;in the toy box&#34; and my landlord has expressed some anti adult-minor stuff sentiments so im not out to them either, though I AM out to everyone important to me. 2026-10-04T04:58:03Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsf9ue7h26py5f0xekv5d76spfz7j36zecczh8k4d5cclx89hpmt4gzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycxnkvjy In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs0vss0qsw5y066nedr7swt6xe90pqdmt9r8lkht7x0d3dzkmx4pmg76458e'>nevent1q…458e</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I&#39;ve gotta admit I&#39;m not read up on everything. I&#39;ve thought about if I should join you a lot. but two things have held me back. 1. I didn&#39;t really read your literature, I skimmed it planning to read it properly later. later hasn&#39;t come yet. which btw I&#39;ve been meaning to ask if there&#39;s a link to everything? 2. I really don&#39;t think I have good opsec. idk how true this is but, in my mind, Zest is kind of a public figure, backed by a complete nobody. because I don&#39;t have much to lose I never really bothered to stay safe. plus I&#39;m kind of a n00b when it comes to computers. I&#39;m typing this from an android, no vpn, no nothin&#39; so idk if I&#39;m a security risk, plus I guess I felt I was protected by my lack of ambition. not a lack of enemies but more a feeling that they either had bigger fish to fry or lower hanging fruit. I feel a bit concerned that really trying to make a difference myself, makes me a bigger fish. <br/><br/>I do like the idea of helping to guide young people away from the sort of rigid thinking our mainstream seems so intent on promoting. the way you phrased it positions this as a &#34;you do what you can&#34; mindset. familiar to me from martial arts. an easy trap to fall into in martial arts is setting your sights on some particular move you want to do, perhaps a very good move that you just learned, only to not realize that your opponent already read your intentions. it&#39;s important to stay present with your opponent in order to understand them and use whatever is forthcoming to your advantage. <br/>well not all of life is plagued with such competitiveness, but still, limitations exist and we must be creative and adaptive. 2026-10-02T07:57:18Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsvvzpc9vkw0ddfqqagqgsuae7rhp2dg2uef97yqm28sfvkjre2v3szyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppyckek3cd In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsr55f5vf9lx3ddmn2zd7qvyxu4mwxrzu3xw2hdfvd6c5wguru6uac8ujm8r'>nevent1q…jm8r</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>the idea of organizing other people, or really guiding them at all beyond &#39;advice&#39; has typically been pretty far from my mind. <br/>but the idea of contributing through talking and deliberation sounds good to me. there may be other ways I can contribute more concretely in the future though. <br/>the closest thing I can think of in terms of wanting to organize action that is taboo and even illegal is I think there should be something like an underground railroad for kids. essentially minors might often want to run away from home, I think they should be able to. but I&#39;ve never been able to meaningfully contribute to that ideal because I&#39;ve been broke and homeless and even when I&#39;ve lived ondoors I haven&#39;t had the ability to make descisions about who else lives there or what kinds of legal risks we would take in relation to the property. like where I live now has enough space to hide someone but we wouldn&#39;t be able to suppprt them financially and the landlord and probably my partner too wouldn&#39;t want a volatile mentally ill kid living with us since they&#39;re already anxious and traumatized people themselves and need the peace. I could maybe help people figure out if they have the resources to do that kind of thing? I&#39;ve also been known to be decent at facilitating communication, like, helping people to understand each other when there&#39;s miscommunication. 2026-10-01T22:25:00Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqs9dhv340e6e0pssd2d96qum0m93pqwqe0lk08cd2c3484u0mnxetqzyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycfujlmu In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs0fackdngqx6ju67gdgz7nclyvf2fzcg0xgdex4fxu7twm8aep4nqdd02kc'>nevent1q…02kc</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I&#39;m not sure I have much of a taste for such things. I&#39;m interested in discussing things theoretically, but I&#39;ve always conducted myself as an individual. I&#39;m not a leader, but I am a thinker. 2026-10-01T18:16:30Z https://njump.me/nevent1qqsvjek89d090tq86u6ggc6s3wk36x482l2yt7q5ejxgp3skj0nngqczyzw9xgecdd3mkua8rz92fdaxa2hj5lh6qre04la3xcvklzmquppycp6hsqr @Aco alright I&#39;m here, what&#39;s up? 2026-10-01T18:06:28Z