Nostr notes by Jupiter Rowland

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2025-10-30T11:04:56Z

In reply to nevent1q…5zyd
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@[url=https://mastodon.iftas.org/@iftas]IFTAS[/url] @[url=https://mastodon.social/@fediversereport]Connected Places[/url] I don't think it's that easy to develop an external moderation tool that
[list][*]ties into Mastodon and the way Mastodon works
[*]ties into [url=https://hubzilla.org]Hubzilla[/url], [url=https://codeberg.org/streams/streams](streams)[/url] and [url=https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte]Forte[/url] and their highly advanced permissions systems ([i]everything[/i] on these three is permission-driven) and self-moderation capabilities all the same, also seeing as such a tool must be capable of [i]moderating groups/forums[/i][/list]

I mean, you could try. But be warned: These three work much, much more differently from Mastodon and the rest of the Fediverse than their presence in the Fediverse may indicate. You'll have to work both [i]with[/i] permissions (use the permissions system to achieve what you need to achieve) and [i]past[/i] permissions (if you bluntly try to latch your tool onto these three from outside, chances are that their permissions systems won't even let you in).

You'll have to deal with enclosed conversations as per FEP-171b "Conversation Containers" in which the start post always forces its permissions on all comments and replies. You'll have to deal with nomadic identity, with channels simultaneously residing on multiple independent servers. On (streams) and Forte, you'll also have to deal with DIDs according to FEP-ef61 "Portable Objects".

On Hubzilla and (streams), you'll have to deal with servers that don't even use ActivityPub as their base protocol and with both servers and channels that have ActivityPub turned off entirely. And on Hubzilla, you'll have to deal with connections that use wholly different protocols yet again, e.g. [url=https://diasporafoundation.org/]diaspora*[/url] (remember the $200,000 crowdfunding run back in 2010?).

Also, you'll have to deal with three Fediverse server applications that do not have the Mastodon client API implemented, with feature sets that are completely incompatible with the Mastodon client API and with developers who staunchly refuse to implement it because they basically despise Mastodon with a hot, flaming passion.

And no, making server apps that are [i]nothing[/i] like Mastodon [i]at all[/i] become more like Mastodon, just so that they can be moderated with a tool that's made for Mastodon, is not a solution because it simply won't happen.

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@[url=https://c.im/@bbamok]Baranduin[/url] [quote]Oh does this ...

2025-06-30T10:50:00Z

In reply to nevent1q…3xex
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@[url=https://c.im/@bbamok]Baranduin[/url]
[quote]Oh does this feel like my inner monologue when I post a photo. It is a bummer that it, at times, prevents me from posting more photos, but I hope this make me a little more quality over quantity.[/quote]
I actually keep entire categories of things out of my images because I can't describe them up to my own standards. This includes realistic buildings. I would first have to look up loads of architectural terms to describe all details of a building, and then I would have to explain each and every one of these architectural buildings in a way that absolute laypeople understand my image description without ever having to ask me anything or look anything up themselves.

The last time I posted an image with a building was [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7]this post[/url]. I actually went around and looked for a nice motive for a new image post for quite a while. There was one harbour scene which I thought looked spectacular enough to show, but which was impossible to describe. So I fell back to this motive. I thought it's not too bland, not too simple and at the same time not too complex. Besides, the one building in the image is totally unrealistic and without all the tiny details that would make up a realistic building.

And then I ended up taking some 30 hours over two days to describe the image in over 60,000 characters. The building alone took up some 40,000 or so. This is still the longest image description in the whole Fediverse, I think. [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/02c3e128-0c9a-4800-87f2-780f31136947]Here is the image describing log thread.[/url]

My last image post before that was [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/136f021c-06cb-4e38-abe6-2bf37fd521d8]this one[/url] with still over 25,000 characters of description for one image, and I consider it outdated slop.

It was the last time that I described an image in my image with more details than visible in the original of that image itself. And that's where I got sloppy. I completely forgot to transcribe what's written on the license plate above the office door of the motel in that image in my image. And I couldn't be bothered to give detailed descriptions of the two 1957 Chevy Bel Airs parked in front of the motel because I really wanted to get that description done. In the actual image, all of this is sub-pixel-sized. You wouldn't know it's even there if I didn't mention it. I did describe the motel, but it's a fairly simple building, and I decided against describing what's visible through the windows with open blinds from the camera angle in the image in my image.

In the next image, the one with 60,000+ characters of description, I stopped describing images in the image beyond what I can see in the place where the image itself was taken. That was because one image is a destination preview image on a teleporter. The destination is a kind of teleport hub. The preview actually (if only barely so) shows over 300 single-destination teleporters, a few dozen of them with their own preview images.

So I teleported to that hub to describe it in detail. And I looked at the teleporters and their preview images. Turned out, not only do these preview images pretty much all have text in them and not necessarily few bits of text, but some of them actually have images within themselves again.

I would have had to describe that image in my image, dozens of images in that image in my image and a number of images in these images in that image in my image. For each of the latter, I would have had to teleport three times from the place that I originally wanted to describe. I would also have had a whole lot more text to transcribe. All on a sub-pixel scale several times over.

Not only would that have been a humongous task, but more importantly, it would have inflated my image description and my whole post to more than 100,000 characters. Mastodon would probably have rejected my post for being too long. And this would have rendered the whole effort futile. In the few places in the Fediverse that would still have accepted my post, nobody cares for image descriptions.

[quote]AI certainly can't get inside my brain well enough to write accurate descriptions. Even if it could would I? hmmm.[/quote]
I've only used AI to describe images twice. And in both cases, that was to show just how bad AI is at describing images about an extremely obscure and quickly changing niche topic at the level of accuracy and detail which I deem necessary for that topic.

I guess one problem that you're facing is that next to nobody in the Fediverse can even grasp what you're thinking about, what you're taking into consideration for your image descriptions. That's why you got next to no feedback upon your first comment in this thread.

I have one advantage here: What you're pondering, I have actually done. If I feel like people won't understand what I'm thinking about, I point them at one or several of my actual image posts, and/or I post a quote from one of my actual image descriptions. Still, almost nobody actually goes and reads through any of my image descriptions, but I guess they get the gist, especially when I post snippets from my actual descriptions.

CC: @[url=https://mastodon.social/users/nancywisser]Icarosity[/url]

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Nostr event nevent1qqsdrdql98xqcxvrg75nncm05c7vhnqhn7f6pqepl2a0l0hgqhp3zzszyzrqs9t098608gvxf2z04s8tfew2zven93wev7cr4q6fucmzu76qg2sfamy

2025-06-29T19:33:17Z

In reply to nevent1q…ge46
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@[url=https://mastodon.social/users/nancywisser]Icarosity[/url] It's similar for me, only that I always put a gigantic effort into describing my own images twice, once not exactly briefly in the alt-text and once with even more details in the post itself. Sometimes I find an interesting motive, but when I start thinking about how to describe it, I don't even render an image because it isn't worth doing so if I can't post it.

I haven't posted a new image in almost a year. In fact, I've got a series of fairly simple images for which I've started writing the descriptions late last year, and I'm still not done. So much about "it only takes a few seconds".

Before someone suggests I could use Altbot: I'm not even sure if it'll work with Hubzilla posts. And besides, no AI on this planet is fit for the task of properly, appropriately and [i]accurately[/i] describing the kind of images that I post.

@[url=https://c.im/@bbamok]Baranduin[/url] And then there's me who has managed to describe one image in a bit over ten thousand words last year. Good thing I have a post character limit of over 16.7 million. And I actually limited myself this time: I did not describe images within my image in detail, in stark contrast to about two years ago when I described a barely visible image in an image in well over 4,000 characters of its own, and that wasn't the only image within that image that I described.

CC: @[url=https://beige.party/@LoganFive]Logan 5 and 999 others[/url]

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@[url=https://mitra.social/users/weekinfediverse]Week in ...

2025-05-17T18:46:22Z

@[url=https://fosstodon.org/@fabrice]Fabrice Desré[/url] ...

2025-04-30T08:03:29Z

In reply to nevent1q…dva7
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@[url=https://fosstodon.org/@fabrice]Fabrice Desré[/url] @[url=https://fosstodon.org/users/tuxdevices]TuxPhones :linux:[/url] Ackchually...

The AT protocol has yet to prove that its concept of portable identity works.

In the meantime, @[url=https://mitra.social/users/silverpill]silverpill[/url] (creator and maintainer of [url=https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra]Mitra[/url]) has been working with @[zrl=https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev]Mike Macgirvin 🖥️[/zrl] (creator of a family tree of almost a dozen Fediverse server applications over a decade and a half, designer of two Fediverse protocols and inventor of [url=https://joinfediverse.wiki/Nomadic_identity]nomadic identity[/url] as early as 2012) to implement nomadic identity in ActivityPub since 2023. Previously, nomadic identity required the Zot or Nomad protocol. (Oh, and yes, it actually works, and it's being daily-driven by many [url=https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla]Hubzilla[/url] and [url=https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)](streams)[/url] users right now.)

In August, 2024, Mike launched [url=https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte]Forte[/url], his most recent creation and [b]the first Fediverse server application to entirely rely upon ActivityPub for nomadic identity[/b]. Nomadic identity via ActivityPub has been reality ever since.

In March, 2025, Forte officially had its first stable release. So much about nomadic identity via ActivityPub being experimental. People are using it as their primary daily driver already.

Just because Mastodon doesn't have it, doesn't mean ActivityPub doesn't, or the Fediverse doesn't.

Unfortunately, I don't expect Mastodon to ever implement it. After all, the Mastodon devs have already practically rejected OpenWebAuth as well, another one of Mike's creations.

(This comment was brought to you by a nomadic Hubzilla channel with one clone.)

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@[url=https://social.hacktheplanet.be/@neo]Michael Smith ...

2025-04-04T06:33:20Z

In reply to nevent1q…zy9z
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@[url=https://social.hacktheplanet.be/@neo]Michael Smith (Neo)[/url] Convenience.

Just about everyone in the Fediverse is on a phone nowadays with the exception of some Friendica and Hubzilla veterans. And the easiest way of sharing e.g. social media content on a phone is by taking a screenshot and plastering it into an otherwise empty toot in their Mastodon app. Way easier and more convenient than copy-pasting the text itself plus a link to the original into the toot. Way easier and more convenient even than only copy-pasting the link. And a great deal easier and more convenient than re-writing the whole text and the link, especially since Bluetooth keyboards for phones are a thing of the past, as are apparently hardware input devices other than touch screens in general.

I guess 99% of all phone users don't even know they can copy-paste on a phone, and many have never heard of copy-paste in their lives. Even those who do know that they can copy-paste find marking text to copy on a tiny touch screen too fidgety.

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@[url=https://mitexleo.one/@ml]Mitex Leo[/url] Short answer: no. ...

2025-03-08T07:32:20Z

In reply to nevent1q…m5de
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@[url=https://mitexleo.one/@ml]Mitex Leo[/url] Short answer: no.

To my best knowledge, Hubzilla cannot import anything from Mastodon. No posts, no followed, especially no followers.

(streams) can import CSV-formatted follow lists; I don't know if Mastodon can export them, or if Mastodon has its own proprietary follow list format. But (streams) cannot make your followers on Mastodon your followers on (streams) because [i]it cannot make people follow you[/i]. Also, (streams) cannot import posts from Mastodon.

Mass-importing 5,000+ connections from Mastodon to Hubzilla or (streams) would be a stupid idea anyway. You'd have to go through all of them and configure them. Yes, whereas Mastodon only has "I follow you" and "I don't follow you", Hubzilla and (streams) have extensive configuration options for connection. And you will need them.

You'd have to edit 5,000+ connections, one by one, and
[list][*]assign them the appropriate contact role (Hubzilla)/permission role ((streams)) so that they have the right permissions (on Hubzilla and (streams), everything is permissions, and permissions are everything)
[*]add them to one or multiple privacy groups (Hubzilla)/access lists ((streams)) (think Mastodon lists, but on lots of coke and 'roids; optional on Hubzilla, but highly recommended)
[*]maybe also adjust the (optional) affinity (Hubzilla)/friend zoom ((streams)) slider
[*]maybe even add lines to the (optional, but recommended) per-contact filter lists (you'll need to do this on Hubzilla to keep contacts from spamming you with boosts)[/list]

Neither Hubzilla nor (streams) is something that you can join and use away on 100% bone-stock default settings just like that.

And truth be told: If you give 5,000+ Fediverse actors full permissions to send you all their stuff, your unread activities counter (this exists, yes) will be up to "99+" every few minutes. I myself don't even have 100 active connections that are allowed to send me [i]anything[/i]. On some of them, I filter boosts out. And yet, I get well over 100 unread activities per day that I have to catch up with.

In fact, Hubzilla and (streams) will suck even more content onto your stream than Mastodon. That's because they support threaded conversations. They don't show you single posts. They show you whole threads, including comments by people whom you don't follow and who didn't mention you.

I don't know if you follow Eugen Rochko. But if you do, imagine he posts something. 200 people reply. On Mastodon, you get Rochko's post. On Hubzilla and (streams), you get Rochko's post and 200 replies flooding onto your stream by and by.

Seriously, if you really want to move to Hubzilla (or (streams)), start over from scratch. And go slowly instead of following shit-tons of people right off the bat to have your stream abuzz like on Twitter or Facebook.

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[url=https://osgrid.org]OSgrid[/url] is offline again. Not for a ...

2025-03-04T21:56:54Z

[url=https://osgrid.org]OSgrid[/url] is offline again. Not for a few hours or so like just about everyday for quite a while now. This time, [url=https://www.osgrid.online/news/maintenance-mode/]it was closed for maintenance for the foreseeable future[/url].

The asset server is in such a bad state now that each crash and restart caused more assets to break. Yesterday, OSgrid reached a state in which it was no longer even possible to save inventories as IARs as they all ended up corrupt. So instead of closing the grid on March 21st to [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/a3a2f38d-08e5-49aa-9a82-f461c8b6c4b2]wipe the asset server clean[/url], they had to pull the plug immediately.

One could say this means that lots of OSgrid users who wanted to wait until the last moment to save their stuff have lost lots of content. I say they've probably lost it already before the grid closure because chances are it was already broken at that point.

Seriously, the last time I've logged my OSgrid alt in, and that was last week, almost none of his attachments worked. No body. No hair. No glasses. Etc. I had to unpack replacements for some of the items from boxes which happened to still be intact, but for adjusted or modified items, I had to send in another "me" to deliver replacements right into OSgrid.

Now the OSgrid staff say they want to "completely rebuild the assets in a new format". At first glance, this reads like they no longer want to wipe the asset server and fix the assets themselves instead. But seriously, they've tried that for years. To less than no avail as we can see now. More assets are geb0rkt than not.

I myself rather think they've already started wiping it, and they simply want to change the way the assets are stored. And that's although OSgrid has switched to Avination-coined [i]fsasset[/i] after the RAID failure in 2014 and the eight-month data rescue timeout until 2015. But that was almost a decade ago, and you can only change so much on an asset server in a running grid with assets on it.

Basically, instead of just resetting the asset server, they're going to tear it down and rebuild it. After all, they're still hoping for most residents (those who were active recently anyway) to return and bring their stuff back (what parts of it aren't broken anyway).

Most other grids would have called it quits at this point. And seriously, OSgrid was the first public OpenSim grid, it's the oldest grid (launched in 2007), and it's one of only two remaining grids from the 2000s (the other one is AnSky from 2008). It's probably a question of honour for OSgrid to carry on against all odds.

On a more positive note on decentralised stuff, [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu]Netzgemeinde[/url] seems to work again.

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Today is one of those days on which simply too much happens in ...

2025-03-01T14:27:00Z

Caution, Hubzilla users: (streams) may cause irritation. First of ...

2025-02-20T11:29:31Z

Caution, Hubzilla users: (streams) may cause irritation.

First of all: When you open an unread message, (streams) counts down five seconds before removing the message from the unread list. You [i]will[/i] click it again.

Worse yet: On (streams), you'll look for the settings in the channel menu, but they're in the app menu. And when you've used (streams) for a while, and you return to Hubzilla, you'll look for the settings in the app menu until you remember that they're in the channel menu.

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My definition of "living under a rock": ...

2025-02-19T08:11:30Z

@[zrl=https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario]Mario Vavti[/zrl] Do ...

2025-02-18T15:41:39Z

In reply to nevent1q…qn9u
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@[zrl=https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario]Mario Vavti[/zrl] Do we have any control over shares and repeats then?

Here's another thing that you may not know about ...

2025-02-17T20:28:52Z

Here's another thing that you may not know about [url=https://hubzilla.org]Hubzilla[/url] and [url=https://codeberg.org/streams/streams](streams)[/url] yet: Not only do they have quote-posts, but they also have pretty effective anti-quote-post defences.

[h2]Hubzilla[/h2]

Hubzilla has a permission setting named "Can source/mirror my public posts in derived channels". It has been there since 2012 when Hubzilla was still a fledgling project named Red, that's 13 years now.

Whether someone may quote-post ("share") your public posts depends on the setting in the channel role. If your channel is set to "Public", I think everyone is allowed to share your public posts. If it's set to "Private", you can (and have to) grant that permission to your connections individually by contact role. Those whom you aren't connected to are not allowed to share any of your posts.

The "Custom" channel role lets you choose between granting that permission, one out of 17 permissions, to:
[list][*]everyone in the Fediverse
[*]everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)
[*]everyone on your home hub
[*]unconfirmed and confirmed connections
[*]confirmed connections
[*]only those whom you individually grant that permission
[*]nobody but you[/list]

[h2](streams)[/h2]

(streams) goes even further. As far as I know, it doesn't give you the option to let everyone quote-post any of your posts in the first place. Not only are you always opted out to the point that only you yourself may quote-post your posts, but you can't even fully opt in.

No matter if your channel type is "Social - Public" or "Social - Restricted", the only ones who are allowed to quote-post even only your public posts are those of your connections who get the permission from you. Unlike on Hubzilla, however, you don't have to fumble around with permission roles, although you may do so to speed things up. You've also got a dedicated switch for this permission on each connection labelled "Grant permission to republish/mirror your posts".

[h2]The effect[/h2]

This permission has its strongest effect on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte: If one of their users is not allowed to share one of your posts, the Share button is missing altogether. And there's no real way around the Share button.

In fact, the Repeat button is missing, too. If you aren't allowed to quote-post it, you aren't allowed to boost it either. This permission is not about [i]how[/i] you may forward someone's content, but [i]whether[/i] you may forward it.

Unfortunately, Fediverse users probably everywhere else are not affected by this permission. Users of Pleroma, Misskey and their respective forks can still quote-post you to their heart's content. And I've got my doubts that Mastodon will understand this permission when it introduces quote-posts.

Then again, it's highly likely that Mastodon's quote-post opt-in or opt-out won't work outside of Mastodon either.

[h2]Privacy as an extra line of defence[/h2]

If you [i]really[/i] want to be safe, you've additionally got the option to not post in public. Any post that isn't public can neither be repeated (boosted) nor shared (quote-posted).

Both Hubzilla and (streams) give you the option to send a post to the members of a privacy group/access list (think Mastodon list on coke and 'roids), to a specific group/forum or to any individual selection of connections of yours. (streams) also has Mastodon's option to send a post to all your connections; Hubzilla can emulate that with a privacy group with all your connections in it.

Okay, your post will lose a whole lot of reach. But this is a trick that even Mastodon understands in a certain way: If a post from Hubzilla or (streams) has a restricted audience, Mastodon takes it for a PM. And you can't boost PMs, can you?

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I think we can call this a success. It has been the biggest event ...

2025-02-15T21:35:07Z

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I think we can call this a success.

It has been the biggest event all over the Hypergrid this evening so far. The so-called "non-political" counter-event wasn't nearly as big, even before @[url=https://opensimsocial.com/@roguegalaxy]Rogue8588[/url] performed. And she did finally perform!

A festival against the growing right wing has commenced in ...

2025-02-15T18:15:04Z

A festival against the growing right wing has commenced in Dorenas World. It will continue over the weekend.

Line-up (all times PST/grid time)

[b]Saturday, February 15th[/b]

09:30-10:00 - Lead-in with Klarabella Karamell
10:00-12:00 - Wolem Wobbit live (on-going)
12:00-13:00 - @[url=https://opensimsocial.com/@roguegalaxy]Rogue8588[/url] live
13:00-open end - DJ Xenos Yifu

[b]Sunday, February 16th[/b]

07:30-09:00 - DJ Bogus Curry (ask me for his Fediverse ID)
09:00-11:00 - JohnWinston Vandyke live
11:00-12:00 - Reading with Kueperpunk Korhonen
12:00-13:00 - Rubeus Helgerud reads Wolfgang Borchert
13:00-open end - DJ battle between Klarabella Karamell and @[url=https://aipub.social/@akira_sonoda]Akira Sonoda[/url]

Event location is the festival ground at [url=https://opensimworld.com/hop/78057]Landing[/url].

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2025-02-12T13:06:18Z

In reply to nevent1q…0v8m
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@[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/juno_rowland]Juno Rowland[/zrl] I'll try to save some more old-but-useful avatar content by installing it in at least one shop on another grid than OSgrid.

The original post is back with only few changes. Looks like ...

2025-02-11T07:22:49Z

In reply to nevent1q…eqnv
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The original post is back with only few changes. Looks like they've checked all options, and restoring content was not feasible. But the reset was postponed by two weeks.

One of the worst things that can happen in an ...

2025-02-10T09:21:12Z

One of the worst things that can happen in an [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/ba1b1cb6-7c18-410e-8752-df4b4face2e0]OpenSim[/url] grid, except its complete and permanent shutdown, is the inventories of all avatars being wiped clean. It has happened in Metropolis, I think, in 2019. Many of those who were around back then decided to move away to another grid that promised to be more reliable. Those who were AWOL returned later, just to find their inventories completely empty and their avatars consisting of only the white, textureless system body. In either case, their inventories didn't even contain the "building blocks" for standard Ruth, and when they returned, a blank skin, a blank shape, blank hair and blank eyes had to be created on the spot.

Except for what they had installed in-world, if anything, they had to start over from scratch. Not exactly few decided to do so on another grid, basically starting Metropolis' shrinking process.

Now, Metropolis was one of the oldest grids, launched in 2008. When it was shut down in 2022, it was the fourth-oldest grid. For a while, it even used to be bigger than OSgrid. But this age also meant it was dragging around a whole lot of old assets that were no longer in use.

[url=https://osgrid.org]OSgrid[/url] is even older. Except for maybe the odd impromptu private test grid to get recently-created OpenSim running, it has always been the oldest grid. It was launched in 2007, so it's a whopping 17 years old now. Also, for most of the time, it has been the biggest grid and basically the "lighthouse instance" of OpenSim where almost all newbies ended up.

In other words, a whole lot of people contributed to the filling of what has been one of the most troubled asset servers in OpenSim for years already. The admins had tried quite a few things over the last few years to improve the situation, only to worsen it. Assets in inventories were broken or missing altogether. Announcements that the situation would normalise in a few months (with an increasing number of months estimated) never came to pass.

What was identified as a major issue are assets that don't exist in-world, and that are broken or faulty to begin with. Some may only exist on the asset server, but others linger in the inventories of avatars, many of which haven't been used in years. A lot of these were stolen from Second Life and haphazardly imported, or they broke upon export already.

So they decided to take this last resort and reset all inventories to get rid of broken content. The announcement came yesterday.

But as it seems, they've received a whole lot of criticism. They may also have been reminded that the total inventory reset with everyone losing everything that wasn't rezzed in-world was the beginning of the end of the once-mighty Metropolis Metaversum. Apparently, the OSgrid admins all pack lightly, and they seem not to be able to estimate how much the still active avatars would lose and have to save or reconstruct.

Sure, it's possible to save your entire OSgrid inventory as an IAR. But that's only possible if you have land, if you have at least one sim attached to OSgrid. So this could also have been seen as a ploy to get those who don't have land yet to host and attach sims so that OSgrid can outgrow the [url=https://wolf-grid.com/]Wolf Territories Grid[/url] again and reclaim its spot as the biggest grid on the Hypergrid. I mean, it's commonly known that OSgrid doesn't take Lbsa Plaza not being the top spot on [url=https://opensimworld.com]OpenSimWorld[/url] either. Besides, many simply don't have what it takes to host your own sim, not even temporarily.

And so Dan Banner, one of the admins, changed the asset reset announcement. The OSgrid team had understood how bad an idea it actually is to purge all assets that aren't rezzed in-world and delete everything from everyone's inventories, actually including payware from commercial grids. It would drive people away from OSgrid even faster than the current situation which mostly has them create backup avatars elsewhere.

It would not only drive them away from OSgrid, but over to commercial competitors like [url=https://Kitely]Kitely[/url] or Wolf Territories which not only aren't younger than OSgrid, but which have their own powerful asset servers and actually take good care of them. Especially the Wolf Territories Grid comes with the advantage of being only three years old and never having been used as a gateway for mass-importing tons of copybotted content. Also, these commercial grids have stable sources of income in the shape of land rentals. OSgrid doesn't have land rentals at all; all sims that aren't official are hosted by their users and attached for free. So OSgrid only makes money from donations and an annual in-world auction.

And indeed, @[url=https://opensimsocial.com/@lonewolf]Lone Wolf[/url] has [url=https://opensimsocial.com/@lonewolf/113978142269344906]just reported[/url] that 87 sims were just recently moved to Wolf Territories via OAR export and import. This greatly reeks of a beginning OSgrid exodus.

This must have caused a change of mind among the OSgrid admins. They still consider a reset, but now they want to try to restore the assets in people's inventories afterwards. That's all we know now.

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[url=https://www.osgrid.online/news/asset-reset/]https://www.osgrid.online/news/asset-reset/[/url][/share]

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Our resident in-world DJs keep digging up the craziest music. ...

2025-02-04T20:15:05Z

@[url=https://anonsys.net/profile/caos]caos[/url] Hattest du ...

2025-02-04T13:31:16Z

In reply to nevent1q…vpvh
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@[url=https://anonsys.net/profile/caos]caos[/url] Hattest du nicht auch mal ausgeknobelt, welche Gruppen in welcher Reihenfolge erwähnt werden müssen, zumindest von Mastodon aus?

Also, erst Friendica-Gruppe(n) (vermutlich auch Hubzilla-, (streams)- und hypothetische Forte-Gruppen), dann maximal eine Lemmy-Community (vermutlich auch ein Mbin-Magazin oder eine PieFed-Community), dann Guppe Groups?

CC: @[url=https://social.cologne/@Agrippina]Agrippina[/url]

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Brad Oberwager and Philip Rosedale of ...

2025-01-29T21:35:28Z

Brad Oberwager and Philip Rosedale of @[url=https://mastodon.social/@secondlife]Second Life[/url] have announced to take much, [i]much[/i] mor drastic measures against content piracy within as well as originating in Second Life.

Some sources:
[list][*][url=https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2025/01/linden-lab-sl-ip-rights-protection.html?Meta.societi.es]Wagner James "Hamlet" Au's New World Notes
[*][url=https://avadelaney.co.uk/musings/a-message-to-sl-content-thieves/]Ava Delaney's Chronicles
[*][url=https://slnotes.com/linden-lab-takes-strong-new-stance-against-content-theft/]Tjay Wicken on SLNotes[/url][/list]

Linden Lab may soon act when:
[list][*]you have stolen content in Second Life
[*]you have uploaded stolen Second Life content somewhere
[*]you offer stolen Second Life content somewhere
[*]you host stolen Second Life content somewhere
[*]you tell others how to steal Second Life content[/list]

And "act" means:
[list][*]they'll terminate your Second Life account
[*]they'll purge any and all creations from this account from Second Life, including in-world and from other avatars' inventories
[*]they'll terminate every last one of your alt accounts
[*]they'll purge any and all creations from your alt accounts from Second Life, including in-world and from other avatars' inventories
[*]they'll file a DMCA notice against you
[*]they'll file a Cease & Desist against whatever you've done and wherever you've done it
[*]they might even start a criminal lawsuit against you, drag you to court and have you convicted[/list]

Now, most talk concerning these measures is in Second Life and/or only concerning Second Life. But [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/ba1b1cb6-7c18-410e-8752-df4b4face2e0]OpenSimulator[/url], especially grids connected to the Hypergrid, have been flooded with stolen Second Life content for many years already. My estimation is that over 95% of all sim decoration and at least 99% of all avatar accessories were stolen from Second Life.

Granted, no-one makes any money with this content. And we're talking about over 3,000, maybe over 4,000 individual grids, the vast majority of which are connected to the Hypergrid. But the availability of even premium Second Life content as freebies in OpenSim makes OpenSim more attractive to non-creators than Second Life and gives it an unfair and illegal advantage in the competition between virtual worlds.

If Linden Lab went all the way against OpenSim, the effects would be devastating. Grid by grid would be shut down, either by their admins or by the authorities, and their admins might end up behind bars with a permanent criminal record, just because there's illegal Second Life content on them, maybe even available in freebie stores.

This would not only affect the small grids that are based around young and extremely popular freebie stores that are constantly being supplied with a stream of freshly copybotted content.

[url=https://osgrid.org]OSgrid[/url], the first public grid, the oldest still existing grid, one of the two largest grids with a bigger landmass than Second Life itself and the main testbed for OpenSim's development, would meet its end, and its entire eight-piece grid staff would be convicted for what's on externally attached sims like Agora or Nutella or, in fact, [i]any[/i] sim that isn't 100% squeaky clean. In fact, I dare say it's hardly possible for a grid to be so aseptic that it couldn't possible be a target of such actions. One local avatar with a Second Life body, and a grid could be toast.

Better yet: The Lindens won't even have to go look for illegal content in OpenSim themselves. A new category for Second Life support tickets will be created to report cases of stolen Second Life content. If you think this won't be used with malicious intent, I have a bridge to sell you.

Philip Rosedale said that Linden Lab will take care that this won't be weaponised within Second Life. But neither he nor Brad Oberwager nor anyone else at Linden Lab would even [i]notice[/i] if it's being used as a weapon in wars between grids, communities or single users in OpenSim. In OpenSim, this report feature could be used as a [i]salted thermonuclear weapon[/i] that can not only permanently destroy grids of any size, but all their staff in real life along with them, even those who have never had Second Life avatars.

And believe me when I say that, especially in the German-speaking OpenSim scene, there are enough open conflicts and enough complete nutbars who would "push the button" with glee to get rid of grids and users whom they have a problem with. I think there's only one German grid that couldn't possibly be destroyed this way, and that grid is almost unknown and has spent over a decade under a rock. Our only salvation is how slow the German legal system is, and how digital legislation has yet to arrive in the 21st century.

I've recently posted [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/b54d3030-9d0d-40c4-9a68-d685815e0a4d]a lengthy comment on this[/url].

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The Fediverse seems to be going crazy now. Or it's just me ...

2025-01-22T22:04:01Z

The Fediverse seems to be going crazy now. Or it's just me and the hashtag search RSS feeds on mastodon.social that I've recently subscribed to.

The blissfully uninformed for whom "Mastodon" and "Fediverse" mean the same have apparently been pushed into the background, just like the fundamentalists who [i]want[/i] the Fediverse to be only Mastodon. Even those who have been dragged from Facebook to Mastodon by either of the two groups, and who try to apply what they're used to from Facebook to a wannabe Twitter clone, are few and far between.

No, there are many more for whom the Fediverse is Mastodon, Pixelfed, Loops and Friendica. For many of these, these four are fully separate networks, and they cannot for the lives of them imagine that you can be on one and directly connect to someone on another. I mean, you can't follow Instagram users from 𝕏 either, right? So why should this be possible in the Fediverse? Isn't the Fediverse an umbrella term for everything free, open-source and decentralised anyway? (Spoiler: No, it isn't. Yes, all that stuff is connected.)

Curiously, not only total Fediverse newbies believe this, but even people who have joined Mastodon in 2022. There are Mastodon users for whom the idea is totally alien that Mastodon users can follow non-Mastodon accounts. Mind you, sometimes while following users all over the Fediverse already.

And so there are Mastodon users who join Pixelfed, not because they want to post pictures, but because they want to follow someone on Pixelfed. And they cannot imagine that they can do that from Mastodon.

Likewise, there are Mastodon users who join Friendica, not to shake off Mastodon's tight constraints and get a taste of [i]the good stuff[/i], but because some of their Facebook friends want to join Friendica, too. And they cannot imagine that they can follow Friendica accounts from Mastodon. Even though they may actually already do that.

Speaking of Friendica: This is where things got even crazier.

There are people looking for a Facebook alternative in the Fediverse. Some say someone should totally make one. Because the Facebook alternatives that already exist in the Fediverse, some of which have actually been around for longer than Mastodon, are still too obscure.

And then there are those who [i]do[/i] know Facebook alternatives in the Fediverse.

That is, for one, there's the faction for whom "the" Facebook alternative in the Fediverse is Friendica. Not because they think Hubzilla, (streams), Forte and Socialhome are unfit as Facebook alternatives. But because they've never heard of Hubzilla, (streams), Forte or Socialhome. And they themselves are on Mastodon, they don't know a single Friendica user, they've never (knowingly anyway) come into contact with a Facebook user, and so they only know Facebook from hearsay and by name.

And then there's the faction that suggests Friendica and diaspora*. Clearly, they only know both from hearsay and by name, too. For it's obvious that they don't know two important things about diaspora*.

One, diaspora* does not use ActivityPub. It is not federated with Mastodon (which, for many, defines "Fediverse"). The only projects that can communicate both via ActivityPub and with diaspora* are Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome. Granted, if you regard the various server applications in the Fediverse as "decentralised walled gardens", and if following a Friendica account from Mastodon goes beyond your comprehension, this doesn't matter.

Two, diaspora* is withering away. A few days before New Year's Eve 2024, several of the bigger diaspora* pods shut down for good. According to at least one statistics site, diaspora* lost more than half of its users within three days. And on Saturday, January, 25th, diasp.org will be the next, one of the biggest and most important pods.

Well, and then there are those on Mastodon who think about joining Friendica, but who need some information first. They shout their request for help into the void. And almost never does even a single actual Friendica user reply. Not even a former Friendica user. Instead, either all replies come from other Mastodon users who only know Friendica from hearsay, or nobody replies at all.

All this is where I keep having to step in.

Just like the last three years when I kept having to tell people that, no, the Fediverse is not only Mastodon, now I often have to tell them that, no, Friendica is not the only existing alternative to Facebook in the Fediverse. I've lost count of how many times I've told people about Hubzilla and especially (streams). I've even made [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392]comparison tables[/url] that cover Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) and additionally Mastodon so that Mastodon users have something they can relate to, just so that I don't have to explain the same stuff over and over again.

It's especially when a replacement for Facebook groups, private groups in particular, is requested that I suggest (streams) instead of Friendica. Yes, Friendica has private groups, too. But why not try and go all the way with fine-grained permission control, with four different types of groups to choose from and with the possibility to use the permission system to appoint additional admins, not to mention instance shutdown resilience by means of nomadic identity?

I may actually have successfully gotten a few people to join (streams). The lack of public, open-registration instances (there are only two) doesn't even seem to matter because many are looking for something to host themselves. (streams) is nice for self-hosting because it has a rather small footprint, especially considering how powerful it is, and all it needs is a LAMP stack. Granted, self-hosting (streams) kind of defeats the need for nomadic identity, at least mostly. And I'm still not sold about the idea of setting up a server of something before you really know what it is and how it works and handles. Oh well.

In fact, I'm recommending (streams) more often than Hubzilla now, also because it's [s]easier[/s] less difficult to set your channel up and get going. I mean, (streams) can really need some more users. Still, it kind of feels like backstabbing the Hubzilla community that's looking for new users itself. And it'd feel like going into direct competition with the Friendica community, weren't it for the fact that the Friendica veterans whom I'm directly or indirectly connected to don't even notice most of those help requests, much less what I'm doing.

That is, if someone really explicitly needs help with Friendica specifically, I do something else: I import the post itself into my stream, and then I repeat (= boost) it. I'm connected to enough Friendica users to increase the likeliness of help from the right people by magnitudes.

But often enough, the biggest obstacle is another: The help-seeker is on an iPhone, probably exclusively, and they couldn't possibly use [i]any[/i] Fediverse server software without a native iOS app. In this case, it barely matters whether they join Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams): There's nothing for Friendica in the Apple App Store.

Yeah, sure, you can connect Friendica to at least some Mastodon apps, much unlike Hubzilla and (streams). But using Friendica with a Mastodon app that doesn't cover several of Friendica's core features can only be a stopgap, and what people are looking for is a full-blown, permanent replacement for the Web interface which they never ever want to lay their eyes and hands on. Ever. And getting into the beta test for Relatica is too much of a hassle for almost everyone.

But seriously, why do I, a Hubzilla and (streams) user, have to give more Friendica support than actual Friendica users?

Well, at least I've yet to be attacked for alleged reply-guying and Fedisplaining.

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Für die, die es noch nicht mitbekommen haben: [share ...

2025-01-21T15:12:50Z

Für die, die es noch nicht mitbekommen haben:

[share author='Doris+%3Afediverse%3A%F0%9F%A6%89%F0%9F%87%AA%F0%9F%87%BA' profile='https://top-netz.de/@Doris'; avatar='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/91a31b40-5359-4224-8943-fa9e4a5cc601-6'; link='https://top-netz.de/@Doris/113826157602777993'; auth='false' posted='2025-01-14 10:08:48' message_id='https://top-netz.de/users/Doris/statuses/113826157602777993';][img= ]Fediverse Sprechstunde am Donnerstag 23.01.2025, 19:30 Uhr via Web-Konferenz (BBB) - öffentlich sehen - hören - sprechen - zeigen - mitmachen Jeder ist dazu eingeladen sich an der Talk-Runde zu beteiligen um gemeinsam über Fediverse zu sprechen. Logo
Fediverse, Logo Friendica, Logo Mastodon, Logo Pixelfed, Logo Hubzilla, Logo Lemmy und Bild vom Online Konferenzraum[/img]
[img class="emoji" alt=":fediverse:" title=":fediverse:"]https://top-netz.de/system/custom_emojis/images/000/001/209/original/8fddc9b98bf8a88f.png[/img] Fediverse Sprechstunde!
🗓️ am Donnerstag 23.01.2025, 19:30 Uhr!
ONLINE!

Bist du [url=https://top-netz.de/tags/neu]#neu[/url] oder [url=https://top-netz.de/tags/neuhier]#neuhier[/url] in der Welt des Fediverse? Kein Problem! Wir helfen dir bei den ersten Schritten: Profil einrichten, Sicherheitstipps, Posten und Vernetzung. Sei dabei!

Hauptthema: [url=https://top-netz.de/tags/Hubzilla]#Hubzilla[/url] mit @pepecyb - Ich freue mich darauf.

Eingeladen sind auch alle, die bereits Erfahrungen mit Mastodon, Friendica, Pixelfed, Misskey oder anderen Anwendungen haben und ihr Wissen gerne weitergeben möchten.

[img class="emoji" alt=":fediverse:" title=":fediverse:"]https://top-netz.de/system/custom_emojis/images/000/001/209/original/8fddc9b98bf8a88f.png[/img] Wissensaustausch: Deine Kenntnisse im Fediverse könnten anderen Teilnehmern sehr nützlich sein, besonders denjenigen, die noch neu in der Community sind.
[img class="emoji" alt=":fediverse:" title=":fediverse:"]https://top-netz.de/system/custom_emojis/images/000/001/209/original/8fddc9b98bf8a88f.png[/img] Networking: Dies ist eine hervorragende Gelegenheit, sich mit anderen engagierten Mitgliedern der Gemeinschaft zu vernetzen und neue Kontakte zu knüpfen.
[img class="emoji" alt=":fediverse:" title=":fediverse:"]https://top-netz.de/system/custom_emojis/images/000/001/209/original/8fddc9b98bf8a88f.png[/img] Ideen und Inspiration: Deine Perspektive als erfahrener Benutzer oder Betreiber einer Instanz kann dazu beitragen, innovative Ideen zu fördern und die Zukunft des Fediverse mitzugestalten.

Der Raum wird 10 Minuten vor Beginn geöffnet.
Der Link: kommt wird hier 1 Tag vor Beginn gepostet und steht in meinem Profil.

Das Online-Treffen findet auf unserem BigBlueButton-Server statt. Du benötigst keine zusätzliche Software, sondern nur einen Browser – vorzugsweise Firefox oder Chrome – ein Mikrofon (es handelt sich schließlich um eine Sprechstunde) und, wenn du möchtest, eine Webcam. Wir freuen uns auf einen lebhaften Austausch! 🎙️ 🙋‍♀️

Der Ablauf der Sprechstunde sieht folgendermaßen aus: Zu Beginn geben wir Tipps und Hinweise für Anfänger und Einsteiger. Anschließend geht es um Ratschläge für Instanzbetreiber und Moderatoren. Ein solcher Austausch ist wichtig und notwendig für eine gute Vernetzung untereinander. Es wird nicht nur um Mastodon gehen, denn die Welt des Fediverse ist weitaus größer. Mehr Miteinander statt Gegeneinander.

Je mehr mitmachen, desto besser!

[url=https://top-netz.de/tags/FediverseSpechstunde]#FediverseSpechstunde[/url]
[url=https://top-netz.de/tags/MastodonBeginner]#MastodonBeginner[/url]
[url=https://top-netz.de/tags/Mastodon]#Mastodon[/url]
[url=https://top-netz.de/tags/MastodonSprechstunde]#MastodonSprechstunde[/url]
[url=https://top-netz.de/tags/Fediverse]#Fediverse[/url]
[url=https://top-netz.de/tags/socialmedia]#socialmedia[/url][/share]

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@[url=https://mastodon.world/@sheiladebonis]Sheila DeBonis[/url] ...

2025-01-21T08:56:19Z

The first version of my comparison table for Mastodon, Friendica, ...

2025-01-20T17:06:21Z

@[url=https://mastodon.world/@sheiladebonis]Sheila DeBonis[/url] ...

2025-01-20T12:29:48Z

In reply to nevent1q…t97u
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@[url=https://mastodon.world/@sheiladebonis]Sheila DeBonis[/url] I'm working on an extensive comparison table for
[list][*]Mastodon
[*]Friendica
[*]Hubzilla (emerged from a fork of Friendica)
[*](streams) (fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork?) of Hubzilla)[/list]
right now.

By the way, I'm on Hubzilla myself.

#[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta]FediMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta]FediverseMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta]CWFediMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta]CWFediverseMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse]Fediverse[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook]Facebook[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookAlternative]FacebookAlternative[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica]Friendica[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla]Hubzilla[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams]Streams[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29](streams)[/zrl]

It's back online. I guess (and hope) it was upgraded.

2025-01-20T10:06:29Z

In reply to nevent1q…d2r8
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It's back online. I guess (and hope) it was upgraded.

Okay, so [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net]Streams at Els ...

2025-01-20T07:33:10Z

Okay, so [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net]Streams at Els Mussols[/url] is throwing a 502.

I hope this means that @[zrl=https://streams.elsmussols.net/channel/elmussol]elmussol[/zrl] is back at it, maybe even upgrading it. And when that's done, I hope I can finally complete the cloning of one of my channels.

I hope this doesn't mean that the instance has gone bellies-up over night before I could clone my other channel.

#[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta]FediMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta]FediverseMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta]CWFediMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta]CWFediverseMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams]Streams[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29](streams)[/zrl]

Okay, so I've managed to clone one of my two (streams) ...

2025-01-19T22:10:41Z

Okay, so I've managed to clone one of my two (streams) channels so far. Although "clone" is a bit of a stretch; I only got one PM over and none of the few posts.

Maybe the difference between (streams) 2024.10.28 and 2025.1.16 is a bit too big. But I hope @[zrl=https://streams.elsmussols.net/channel/elmussol]elmussol[/zrl] comes back and finally upgrades my home instance.

#[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta]FediMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta]FediverseMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta]CWFediMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta]CWFediverseMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams]Streams[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29](streams)[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity]NomadicIdentity[/zrl]

Interesting discovery: Hubzilla [i]does[/i] recognise images ...

2025-01-19T09:32:19Z

Interesting discovery: Hubzilla [i]does[/i] recognise images files as images if you upload them using WebDAV. Good to know.

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@[url=https://flipboard.social/@mike]Mike McCue[/url] Does this ...

2025-01-18T21:13:52Z

"The Fediverse doesn't need fact checks. What's ...

2025-01-18T00:02:55Z

"The Fediverse doesn't need fact checks. What's published in it is always the truth." - Oscar Wilde

Friday's Rock-House party was a success. Granted, when it ...

2025-01-17T23:36:08Z

In reply to nevent1q…dyyj
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Friday's Rock-House party was a success. Granted, when it started, the Rock-House was as empty as it usually was when our Friday event started at 7 PM. But by and by, the place really got crowded. Some of the visitors hadn't been there for quite a long time, others like @[url=https://mastodon.social/@Hicks_affer]Hicks[/url] had been there for the first time, I guess.

@[url=https://mstdn.social/@davidbraze]Dave Braze[/url] Do you ...

2025-01-17T09:30:12Z

In reply to nevent1q…5tec
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@[url=https://mstdn.social/@davidbraze]Dave Braze[/url] Do you mean whether mstdn.social is somehow connected to some Friendica nodes out there where your account may be visible? Because yes, it most likely is.

Or do you mean whether one of the accounts you follow which you may have taken for Mastodon accounts all the time are actually on Friendica and not on Mastodon? Can't tell you; you follow too many for me to go through the whole list and find those who are on Friendica.

#[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta]FediMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta]FediverseMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta]CWFediMeta[/zrl] #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta]CWFediverseMeta[/zrl]

Yesterday 15 years ago, [url=http://dorenas-world.de/]Dorenas ...

2025-01-16T16:22:41Z

Yesterday 15 years ago, [url=http://dorenas-world.de/]Dorenas World[/url] was officially launched and connected to the Hypergrid. Today it is the oldest still existing German [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/ba1b1cb6-7c18-410e-8752-df4b4face2e0]OpenSim[/url] grid, the third-oldest grid overall and the only German grid that has ever managed to exist for 15 years. Starting today and until Sunday, this anniversary will be celebrated with four days of live and DJ events.

[h3]Notes[/h3]

Event language is German. In-world translators will be provided for chat.

[h3]Thursday, January 16th[/h3]

[list][*]08:00 PM CET
11:00 grid time
Humourous presentation by Kueperpunk Korhonen
[*]09:00 PM CET
12:00 grid time
DJ Rubeus Helgerud
[*]10:00 PM CET
13:00 grid time
DJ @Akira[/list]

[b]Event location:[/b] Festival stage, [url=https://opensimworld.com/hop/78057]Landing[/url], Dorenas World

hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23

[h3]Friday, January 17th[/h3]

[list][*]07:00 PM CET-12:00 AM CET
10:00-15:00 grid time
DJ Anachron Young[/list]

[b]Event location:[/b] Rock-House, [url=https://opensimworld.com/hop/78058]Nihilon[/url], Dorenas World [b](in-door)[/b]

hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Nihilon/217/167/23

[h3]Saturday, January 18th[/h3]

[list][*]Before and afterwards
DJ and moderation by Anachron Young
[*]08:00 PM CET
11:00 grid time
Wolem Wobbit live[/list]

[b]Event location:[/b] Festival stage, [url=https://opensimworld.com/hop/78057]Landing[/url], Dorenas World

hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23

[h3]Sunday, January 19th[/h3]

[list][*]Before and afterwards
DJ and moderation by Anachron Young
[*]06:00 PM CET
09:00 grid time
John Winston Vandyke live
[*]08:00 PM CET
11:00 grid time
@rogue live[/list]

[b]Event location:[/b] Festival stage, [url=https://opensimworld.com/hop/78057]Landing[/url], Dorenas World

hop://dorenas-world.de:8002/Landing/141/145/23

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And Thirza's HG-Safari blog has delivered: [share ...

2025-01-16T14:02:22Z

In reply to nevent1q…23rg
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And Thirza's HG-Safari blog has delivered:

[share author='Metaworld+Opensim+Social' profile='https://opensimsocial.com/@metaworld'; avatar='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/e26b326e-d469-4b39-ac16-5455ffddc2b9-6'; link='https://opensimsocial.com/@metaworld/113838342271948019'; auth='false' posted='2025-01-16 13:47:31' message_id='https://opensimsocial.com/users/metaworld/statuses/113838342271948019';]HG Safari: The Mysteries of Atlas Island
[url=https://hgsafari.blogspot.com/2025/01/the-mysteries-of-atlas-island.html]https://hgsafari.blogspot.com/2025/01/the-mysteries-of-atlas-island.html[/url]?[/share]

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These will be some busy days for ...

2025-01-15T20:47:12Z

These will be some busy days for @[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/juno_rowland]Juno Rowland[/zrl] and me in OpenSim...

Right now, the @[url=https://mastodon.social/@hgsafari]HG Safari[/url] is visiting us at [url=https://opensimworld.com/hop/91657]Atlas[/url] in [url=http://dorenas-world.de]Dorenas World[/url]. About two dozen avatars on a packed standard region of 256x256m. In fact, some have crossed into neighbouring sims, probably without even noticing. It doesn't help that it's night during the whole hour of their visit.

Right afterwards, we're off to the on-going weekly party over on [url=https://dereos.org]Dereos[/url].

In fact, today is the official 15th anniversary of Dorenas World. It's the only German grid that has ever managed to live for this long, and it's the third-oldest surviving OpenSim grid now. Only [url=https://osgrid.org]OSgrid[/url], the first public grid from 2007, and [url=https://www.anskygrid.ca/]AnSky Grid[/url] are older.

The anniversary will be celebrated from tomorrow on until Sunday. I'll post the schedule later. Just so much: We've finally managed to get @[url=https://opensimsocial.com/@roguegalaxy]Rogue Galaxy[/url] to perform here.

And next week, on January 25th, Dereos will celebrate its 10th anniversary on a sim built for the occasion..

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There's [url=https://a.gup.pe/u/hubzilla]a Guppe group for ...

2025-01-14T10:07:29Z

There's [url=https://a.gup.pe/u/hubzilla]a Guppe group for Hubzilla[/url]? With members and activity?! I guess nobody outside Hubzilla knows the [url=https://hubzilla.org/channel/adminsforum]Hubzilla Support Forum[/url].

Well, joined anyway. You never know.

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Two things are becoming glaringly obvious currently. One, it ...

2025-01-12T23:39:20Z

Two things are becoming glaringly obvious currently.

One, it seems like aspiring Facebook escapees want and expect Facebook as it was in December, 2024, in the Fediverse. Maybe also because that's what they're told Friendica is. Just like Twitter escapees have been wanting and expecting Mastodon (and the Fediverse as a whole) to be literally Twitter without Musk, but otherwise absolutely identical to Twitter. Because that's what they were told.

People don't want something that's better than the original. Because that's different from the original. People want 1:1 clones of the original.

Two, lots of Mastodon users, even many of those who have been around since the second Twitter migration wave of late 2022 (as in over two years)k, haven't understood the Fediverse yet. They think their Mastodon account can only connect to Mastodon accounts, and a Friendica account can only connect to Friendica accounts, and so they need a Friendica account in parallel to their Mastodon account in order to be able to stay in contact with both new Friendica users and current Mastodon users.

Little do they probably know that they already follow users of Friendica, Hubzilla, Misskey, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Akkoma, Mbin etc. on their Mastodon accounts because Mastodon doesn't tell them. Even less do they know that Friendica is the federation world champion. Not only does it connect to everything in the ActivityPub-using Fediverse, including Mastodon, but it also has more non-ActivityPub connection options than anything else.

Not so obvious yet: If a significant number of Facebook users does end up on Friendica, we'll have a wonderful clash of cultures in the Fediverse.
[list][*]Faction #1: almost three years worth of Twitter refugees on Mastodon who still want to force Mastodon's culture upon the whole Fediverse. Including Friendica.
[*]Faction #2: fresh arrivals on Mastodon from Twitter who want to keep living their Twitter culture, and who don't even expect Mastodon to have its own culture.
[*]Faction #3: fresh arrivals on Friendica from Facebook who want to keep living their Facebook culture, and who also end up angering faction #1 with "long posts" (anything with over 500 characters).
[*]Faction #4: the old Fediverse guard, especially on Friendica where some users have been since years before Mastodon has even been created, who are being lectured by faction #1 and accused of harassment by factions #2 and #3.[/list]
Beware if faction #3 discovers Lemmy communities and starts joining them. For Lemmy's culture is almost identical to Reddit's culture, whether #1 wants or not.

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Im Fediverse ist die Hölle los. Das, worauf wir seit 2010 ...

2025-01-11T14:39:54Z

Im Fediverse ist die Hölle los. Das, worauf wir seit 2010 warten, ist eingetreten: Facebook steht kurz davor, so unerträglich zu werden, daß Leute von da abhauen wollen.

Daran sind aber einige Gruppierungen im Fediverse beteiligt.

Zunächst einmal würde die Friendica-Community am liebsten möglichst viele Facebook-Nutzer nach Friendica holen, das ja 2010 ausdrücklich als Facebook-Alternative an den Start ging. Das können sie aber nicht, weil keiner der Friendica-Veteranen mehr auf Facebook ist.

Statt dessen wollen überraschend viele [i]Mastodon[/i]-Nutzer Facebook-Nutzer nach [i]Friendica[/i] einladen. Wohlgemerkt, das bis vor kurzem noch ein direkter Mastodon-Konkurrent war. Massenweise Mastodon-Nutzer senden jetzt Hilferufe in den Äther, weil sie selbst von Friendica über den Namen hinaus keine Ahnung haben.

Und dann gibt's natürlich die, die Facebook-Leute nach Mastodon holen wollen. Zu einem Möchtegern-Twitter-Klon. Da gibt's tatsächlich vier Sorten:
[list][*]die, die nur Mastodon kennen und glauben, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon
[*]die, die mit ihren Facebook-Freunden in Verbindung bleiben wollen, aber das Fediverse nie verstanden haben, vor allem die Föderation zwischen verschiedenen Serveranwendungen (du [i]kannst[/i] von deinem Twitter-Klon aus jemandem auf einer Facebook-Alternative folgen), und die glauben, das klappt nur, wenn ihre Freunde auch alle nach Mastodon kommen
[*]die fanatischen Mastodon-Fundis die so von Mastodons totaler Überlegenheit über das ganze restliche Fediverse überzeugt sind, daß sie sich in jeden Thread, indem es um Umzug nach Friendica geht, einmischen und statt dessen einen Umzug nach Mastodon vorschlagen
[*]die, die es ganz einfach nicht ertragen können, wenn jemand sich bei etwas anmeldet, das nicht Mastodon ist, selbst wenn es mit Mastodon verbunden ist[/list]

Genau wie die Friendica-Community wartet auch die Hubzilla-Community schon lange auf genau das, was jetzt passiert. Sie geht tatsächlich sogar in einen direkten Konkurrenzkampf gegen Friendica.

Der große Unterschied ist allerdings, daß Friendica besser vorbereitet ist. Es hat eine leichtere Oberfläche, es hat bessere offizielle Dokumentation, und vor allem hat es [i]native Smartphone-Apps[/i]. Als Rückfalleben gibt's sogar die Mastodon-Client-API, obwohl Mastodon-Apps keine 10% von Friendicas Funktionsumfang abdecken. Aber sogar auf Facebook sind viele Nutzer hart abhängig von einer Smartphone-App, die sie aus dem Apple App Store oder dem Google Play Store installieren können. Wenn es für etwas keine App gibt, existiert es für sie nicht.

Derweil versucht die Hubzilla-Community, Facebook-Nutzer auf ein Hubzilla zu holen, das sogar für Umsteiger von Friendica nicht bereit ist, geschweige denn für solche von Facebook. Es baut immer noch auf einer Idee vom Fediverse von 2012 auf, einer Vision eines Grid aus Hubzilla-Hubs, an das alles, womit Hubzilla sich sonst noch so verbinden kann, als Satelliten angehängt ist, und das Friendica obsolet macht. Diese Vision ist durch den Erfolg von Mastodon selbst veraltet.

Hubzilla ist so komplex, daß sogar Veteranen immer wieder neue Sachen lernen, die es schon seit Jahren gibt. Aber die eingebaute Dokumentation ist lückenhaft, hoffnungslos veraltet und vielfach schlicht und ergreifend fehlerhaft. Sie wird gerade neu geschrieben, aber die aktuelle Version gibt's nur auf [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/]einer Dritt-Website[/url], und selbst der, der sie schreibt, lernt immer noch Neues über Hubzilla.

Hubzilla ist voller Hürden für Neulinge. Es wird gern angepriesen als mit dem ganzen Fediverse verbunden, aber in Wahrheit ist ActivityPub in neuen Kanälen deaktiviert, weil nomadische Identität damit nicht gut klarkommt. Nicht nur daß, sondern statt einfach einen Schalter in den Einstellungen umzulegen, muß man eine "App" "installieren", um Mastodon-Konten folgen zu können. Und wenn du als Hubzilla-Newbie einfach so mit Standardeinstellungen lospostest, werden deine Posts wahrscheinlich nicht mal öffentlich sein. Es dauert eine ganze Weile, um einen Hubzilla-Kanal so einzustellen, daß er ordentlich funktioniert.

Aber die größte Hürde ist immer noch das fast völlige Fehlen einer Smartphone-App. Es gibt zwar eine App names Nomad. Aber die gibt's nur für Android. Auf F-Droid. Die benutzt hauptsächlich die Weboberfläche, statt eine eigene native Mobiloberfläche zu haben. Und sie ist seit fünf Jahren unangetastet und kann auf neueren Geräten nicht mal mehr installiert werden. Natürlich kann man Hubzilla auch als Progressive Web App installieren. Aber der durchschnittliche Facebook-Nutzer hat noch nie von Progressive Web Apps gehört und braucht etwas, was er aus dem Apple App Store oder Google Play Store installieren kann.

Ehrlich gesagt würde ich sogar sagen, daß es für Facebook-Umsteiger einfacher wäre, nach (streams) umzusteigen als nach Hubzilla. Es ist verschlankt, und das war tatsächlich schon die erste Generation an Hubzilla-Forks. Es ist moderner und mehr ans heutige Fediverse angepaßt, weil die Entwicklung von allem nach Hubzilla nicht dadurch ausgebremst wurde, daß so ein Software-Monster mitgeschleift werden mußte. Es ist immer noch komplex, es ist immer noch mindestens so sicher wie Hubzilla, aber es ist einfacher zu handhaben, weil es darauf ausgelegt ist, was heutzutage in der täglichen Handhabung tatsächlich gebraucht wird.

Und trotzdem herrscht in der kleinen (streams)-Community Stille. In der offiziellen (streams)-Gruppe habe ich noch keine Regungen gesehen bezüglich Einladen von Facebook-Nutzern nach (streams). Ich glaube nicht, daß die gesamte (streams)-Community hinterm Mond lebt und die bevorstehende Facebook-Auswanderungswelle erst noch bemerken muß.

Vielleicht sind sich der Hindernisse wie dem Fehlen von Smartphone-Apps für (streams) noch mehr bewußt. Vielleicht trauen sie keinem neuen (streams)-Nutzer, der nicht vorher durch die Hubzilla-Schule gegangen ist. Vielleicht sind sie selbst nicht sicher, ob (streams) inzwischen wieder stabil genug ist.

Aber vielleicht liegt das schlicht und ergreifend daran, daß man auf (streams) kaum ein Zuhause finden kann. Das Problem ist nicht, daß (streams)-Instanzen notorisch schwer zu finden sind, weil es außerhalb von (streams) selbst nirgendwo Listen öffentlicher (streams)-Instanzen gibt. Das Problem ist eher, daß es von vornherein kaum (streams)-Instanzen gibt.

Meines Erachtens gibt's drei öffentliche (streams)-Instanzen mit offener Registrierung. Eine ist Rumbly in den USA, das um einiges mehr an Nutzern aufnehmen könnte, als es hat. Eine ist die neue Inkarnation von Nomád in Ungarn, die aber keiner kennt. Und die dritte ist Diversi Spiritus in Brasilien, das in den letzten Monaten derartig viele Probleme hatte, daß ich niemandem empfehlen würde, sich da zu registrieren, auch weil der Admin schon mit dem Gedanken gespielt hat, die ganze Instanz plattzumachen und neu aufzusetzen.

Das heißt, vielleicht schaffe ich es ja doch, jemanden dazu zu bringen, von Facebook nach (streams) umzusteigen. Irgendwo muß man ja anfangen.

Na ja, und zu guter Letzt sind da die, die allen Ernstes Leute von Facebook ausgerechnet nach Bluesky einladen wollen.

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All hell has broken loose in the Fediverse. What we have been ...

2025-01-11T14:39:07Z

All hell has broken loose in the Fediverse. What we have been waiting for since 2010 has happened: Facebook is about to become so unbearable that people want to leave.

But there are several Fediverse factions involved in this.

First of all, the Friendica community would love to migrate as many Facebook users as possible to Friendica which was launched in 2010 explicitly as an alternative to Facebook. But they can't because none of the Friendica veterans is on Facebook anymore.

Instead, surprisingly many [i]Mastodon[/i] users want to invite Facebook users over to [i]Friendica[/i]. Which, until now, has been considered direct competition for Mastodon. There are lots of Mastodon users shouting their requests for help into the void because they don't know Friendica beyond its name.

And then, of course, there are those who want to pull Facebook folks over to Mastodon. To a wannabe Twitter clone. In fact, there are four such factions:
[list][*]those who only know Mastodon and think the Fediverse is only Mastodon
[*]those who want to stay in contact with their Facebook friends, but who haven't understood the Fediverse, especially the federation between different server applications (you [i]can[/i] follow someone on a Facebook alternative from your Twitter clone), and who think this only works when their friends join Mastodon, too
[*]the fanatic Mastodon fundamentalists who are so convinced of Mastodon's superiority over the whole rest of the Fediverse that they have to chime into each thread about moving to Friendica and propose a move to Mastodon instead
[*]those who simply cannot stand anyone joining anything that isn't Mastodon even if it's connected to Mastodon[/list]

Just like for the Friendica community, this is what the Hubzilla community has been waiting for, too. In fact, they're going into direct competition against Friendica now.

The big difference, however, is that Friendica is better-prepared. It has an easier UI, it has better official documentation, and above all, [i]it has native mobile apps available[/i]. There's even the Mastodon client API as a fallback, although Mastodon apps don't even cover 10% of Friendica's features. But even on Facebook, many users rely hard on a phone app that they can pull from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store. If there's no app for it, it doesn't exist to them.

Meanwhile, the Hubzilla community is trying hard to get Facebook users to join a Hubzilla that's entirely unprepared even for converts from Friendica, much less Facebook. It's still built on an idea of the Fediverse from 2012, the vision of a grid of Hubzilla hubs with everything else that Hubzilla connects to as satellites which would render Friendica obsolete. This vision itself became obsolete with Mastodon's success.

Hubzilla is so complex that even veterans keep learning new things about it which have been there for years already. But the built-in documentation is spotty, hopelessly outdated and in many cases simply wrong. It's being rewritten, but the current version is only available on [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/]a third-party website[/url], and even the guy who writes it keeps learning new stuff about Hubzilla.

Hubzilla is full of obstacles for newbies. It is being marketed as connected to the whole Fediverse, but actually, ActivityPub is off on new channels because it doesn't play along well with nomadic identity. Not only that, but instead of just flicking a switch in the configuration, you have to "install" an "app" to be able to follow Mastodon accounts. On top of that, if you as a Hubzilla newbie start posting away on default settings, your posts probably won't even be public. It takes quite a while to set a Hubzilla channel up so that it works properly.

But the biggest obstacle is the almost total lack of a mobile app. There is one that's called Nomad. But it's only available for Android. Only on F-Droid. Instead of being fully native, it mostly uses the Web interface. And it hasn't been maintained in over five years, so it can't even be installed on newer devices. Sure, you can install Hubzilla as a progressive Web app. But the average Facebook user has never heard of progressive Web apps, and they want something that they can install from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store.

To be honest, I'd say that it's even easier for Facebook converts to get into (streams) than into Hubzilla. It's slimmed down, in fact, the first generation of Hubzilla forks already was. It's more modern and more adapted to today's Fediverse because the development of everything post-Hubzilla wasn't slowed down by having to drag such a software monster along. It's still complex, it's still at least as secure as Hubzilla, but it's easier to handle because it's built upon what's actually needed in today's daily operation.

And still, the small (streams) community stays mum. I've yet to see any activity in the official (streams) group regarding inviting Facebook users over to (streams). I don't think that the whole (streams) community is living under a rock and has yet to notice the imminent Facebook migration wave.

Maybe it's because they're even more aware of obstacles such as the total lack of mobile apps for (streams). Maybe it's because they don't trust any new (streams) user who hasn't gone through the Hubzilla school first. Maybe it's because they themselves aren't sure whether (streams) is stable enough again.

But maybe it's simply because there's hardly anywhere to go on (streams). The issue isn't that (streams) instances are notoriously hard to find because they aren't listed anywhere outside (streams) itself. The issue is that there are hardly any to begin with.

I think there are three public, open-registration (streams) instances. One is Rumbly in the USA which could handle a whole lot more users than it has. One is the new incarnation of Nomád in Hungary which nobody even knows of. And the third one is Diversi Spiritus in Brazil which had so many issues over the last months that I really wouldn't recommend anyone to join it, also because its admin has repeatedly been taking wiping it clean and re-installing it into consideration.

That is, maybe I'll actually succeed in getting someone to move from Facebook to (streams). You have to start somewhere.

Well, and finally, there are those who seriously want to invite Facebook refugees over to Bluesky out of all places.

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2025-01-10T15:13:09Z

In reply to nevent1q…xarn
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@[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland]Jupiter Rowland[/zrl] @[url=https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel]crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts[/url] "Frontend" ist auch nicht so ganz der richtige Ausdruck. "Frontend" meint eigentlich nur "Benutzeroberfläche". Bei Pleroma, was auch eine Twitter-Alternative im Fediverse ist, kann man z. B. das dazu entwickelte Pleroma-FE als Frontend nehmen oder Phanpy oder Mangane oder so. Aber Pleroma ist selbst kein Frontend, Mastodon, Calckey, Friendica usw. auch nicht. Das sind vollumfängliche Serveranwendungen mit Frontend (der grafischen Benutzeroberfläche) und Backend (der Technik dahinter).

Das Fediverse an sich kannst du dir so vorstellen:

10.000 große und kleine Twitters (Mastodon)
sind verbunden mit
1.000 anderen Twitters (Pleroma),
600 nochmal etwas anderen Twitters (Akkoma),
1.200 ganz anderen Twitters (Misskey),
100 wieder anderen Twitters (Firefish),
450 nochmal anderen Twitters (Sharkey),
150 wieder anderen Twitters (Iceshrimp),
1200 Twitters, die keine eigene Benutzeroberfläche haben (GoToSocial),
300 Facebooks (Friendica),
90 Facebooks, die auch GeoCities und Google Cloud Services usw. eingebaut haben (Hubzilla),
ein paar Dutzend wieder anderen Facebooks ((streams)),
500 Instagrams (Pixelfed),
600 Reddits (Lemmy),
20 anderen Reddits (Mbin),
600 Mediums (WriteFreely)
1.300 YouTubes (PeerTube),
250 Twitches (Owncast),
100 Goodreads (BookWyrm)
und so weiter.

Jetzt gerade schreibe ich dir von [url=https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla]Hubzilla[/url]. Das ist auch im Fediverse, aber es ist nicht Mastodon. Es stammt nicht von Mastodon ab, es hat mit Mastodon nichts zu tun, es hat kein bißchen Mastodon-Code in sich, es funktioniert völlig anders als Mastodon, es versucht nicht, Twitter nachzueifern, und es ist sogar noch älter als Mastodon. Aber ich schreibe dir, und du kannst es lesen. Denn seit Mastodon gestartet ist, ist Hubzilla mit Mastodon verbunden.

Das ist Fediverse.

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2025-01-10T14:56:05Z

In reply to nevent1q…tfym
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@[url=https://mastodon.social/@expertenkommision_cyberunfall]Expertenkommision Cyberunfall[/url] Genau das.

@[url=https://mastodon.social/@Nichtidentisches]Nichtidentisches[/url] Das Fediverse ist nicht nur Mastodon. Friendica ist schon 2010, fünfeinhalb Jahre vor Mastodon, angetreten als Alternative zu Facebook. Und Friendica ist genau wie Mastodon Teil des Fediverse, und solange es Mastodon gibt, ist Friendica durchgängig voll mit Mastodon verbunden.

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Then again, I'm wondering: If all Horizon users successfully ...

2025-01-09T17:03:15Z

In reply to nevent1q…cg92
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Then again, I'm wondering: If all Horizon users successfully moved to OpenSim, how many more clubs and DJs would we have? And how many new grids?

Oh, and by the way, there's another Meta Platforms product ...

2025-01-09T16:57:25Z

Oh, and by the way, there's another Meta Platforms product that no-one's talking about: Horizon. It's what "The Metaverse" referred to in late 2021, early 2022. Remember?

There still seem to be a few thousand holding holding out there.

Interestingly, there's a free, open-source, decentralised "alternative" even for that: [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/ba1b1cb6-7c18-410e-8752-df4b4face2e0]OpenSimulator[/url]. Won't work on your Meta Quest, but you won't need one in the first place. You have [i]much[/i] more land to explore, [url=https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2024/12/opensim-land-area-active-users-up-for-the-holidays/]over four times as much as in Second Life even[/url], and there's hardly any virtual world with cheaper land in combination with similar creative in-world possibilities.

It isn't part of the Fediverse, but it predates even Identi.ca, and its community has been regularly using the term "metaverse" since before Identi.ca.

Granted, the learning curve is enormous, it is very complex, and the new PBR-powered graphics come at the cost of basically requiring a machine with dedicated instead of on-board graphics hardware.

In a twist of fate, I happen to know someone who's in both, who could invite Horizon users over, hehe...

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Interesting things are going on in the Fediverse right now. And ...

2025-01-09T16:28:47Z

Interesting things are going on in the Fediverse right now. And unexpected things.

See, I've always thought that when the shit hits the fan on Facebook, the Mastodon crowd would barge in and drag everyone to Mastodon, no questions asked, no explanation. And we would end up with another few million people for whom the Fediverse is only Mastodon.

I was also afraid of this happening because I know nobody who's on both Facebook and Friendica. In general, Friendica users have quit Facebook long ago, often after Facebook disrupted Friendica's Facebook connector.

Now the shit [i]does[/i] hit the fan. But apparently, even on Mastodon, many people are becoming aware that Mastodon is not a good drop-in replacement for Facebook. And that Friendica is much closer. I mean, one of the most important features on Facebook are groups, Mastodon doesn't even know what groups are, but on Friendica, they're an integral part.

It's almost a miracle: [i]Mastodon[/i] users are trying to guide Facebook users to [i]Friendica[/i]. This also means it's likely that the new Friendicans will know that the Fediverse extends beyond Friendica. I mean, they'll find out anyway because Friendica indicates which server application a post or a comment comes from.

We might be getting to the point where the biggest buzz in the Fediverse quits being self-hosted GoToSocial (and that [i]was[/i] the big buzz around New Year) and switches to the oldest surviving project in the Fediverse, not to mention something that's so very much not Twitter-style microblogging for a change.

The reason why Mastodon is so abuzz with Friendica talk is because those who try to guide Facebook users to Friendica often don't know much about Friendica themselves, and now they're shouting into the void for help, hoping that someone catches the hashtag.

I myself am not much of a Friendica expert. It's been a while since I've laid my hands on it. But: I'm connected to a lot of rank-and-file Friendica users. I think I can cover Friendica's entire core bubble in two steps or three at most.

I've succeeded in helping someone interested in Friendica by importing their post onto my stream and repeating it to my own contacts (thanks to Hubzilla introducing repeats). It definitely worked for @[url=https://mastodon.social/@_elena]Elena Rossini ⁂[/url]; I guess she would barely have been able to write [url=https://blog.elenarossini.com/the-future-of-social-is-here-a-show-and-tell-part-3-friendica/]her newsletter post about Friendica[/url] (read this if you want to get folks off Facebook) if I hadn't stumbled upon her request for help, picked it up and forwarded it. In fact, I can be sure to always reach [i]someone[/i] competent in Friendica this way. (Same goes for Hubzilla and (streams), but that's another story, and I could step in and assist myself, too.)

That said, I'm not too keen on manually searching for Friendica help requests and relay them one by one. I could subscribe to mastodon.social's #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica]Friendica[/zrl] hashtag search feed instead. I could even try to make it a channel source and automatically relay what comes in this way to my connections. But that'd flood all that stuff onto the timelines of my hundreds of Mastodon connections as well. If it worked in the first place, because we've got a growing suspicion that this is broken currently.

So here's the shortcut: Maybe some of you Friendica users can subscribe to the #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica]Friendica[/zrl] hashtag search feed on Mastodon yourself and see what's going on there. Here is the URL:

[url=https://mastodon.social/tags/friendica.rss]https://mastodon.social/tags/friendica.rss[/url]

I'd ask if Friendica has per-connection filters, but the hashtag is so busy with support requests in the wake of Facebook's extra enshittification that there's hardly any cruft in-between that needs to be filtered now.

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@[url=https://rheinneckar.social/@Uwe_M]Elrhoem :mastodon: ...

2025-01-09T11:06:54Z

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@[url=https://rheinneckar.social/@Uwe_M]Elrhoem :mastodon: :nona:[/url] Aus reiner Mastodon-Sicht ist es nervig, wenn Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer immer wieder darauf pochen, daß das Fediverse nicht auf Mastodon reduziert wird.

Aber aus der Sicht von Nicht-Mastodon-Veteranen wie @[url=https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel]crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts[/url] (Calckey) oder mir (Hubzilla), und ich könnte da noch einige mehr nennen und erwähnen, ist es aber schon mehr als nervig, wenn Mastodon-Nutzer das Fediverse mit Mastodon gleichsetzen. Es ist schlicht und ergreifend diskriminierend. Auch wenn Mastodon-Nutzer das nicht so sehen: Es ist diskriminierend.

Und wer sagt: "Ist doch scheißegal, ob man jetzt 'Fediverse' oder Mastodon sagt, und jetzt haltet eure Klappen", ist Teil des Problems. Erst recht, wer versucht, die Nicht-Mastodon-Teile des Fediverse dazu zu zwingen, genau wie Mastodon zu sein. Auch das passiert ständig.

Wenn es dich stört, daß Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer auf die Existenz des Fediverse außerhalb von Mastodon hinweisen und sich dagegen einsetzen, das Fediverse mit Mastodon gleichzusetzen, dann schalte sie stumm. Oder blockiere sie. Dann hast du deine Ruhe.

Aber sage ihnen nicht, sie sollen ruhig sein. Das ist nicht nur diskriminierend, sondern das fordert das Recht auf Diskriminierung ein.

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@[url=https://rheinneckar.social/@Uwe_M]Elrhoem :mastodon: ...

2025-01-09T06:58:35Z

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@[url=https://rheinneckar.social/@Uwe_M]Elrhoem :mastodon: :nona:[/url] Erstellt hat er es definitiv nicht.

@[url=https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel]crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts[/url] ist einer der verbissensten Prediger, daß das Fediverse nicht nur Mastodon ist. Sieh genau hin: Er selbst ist gar nicht auf Mastodon, sondern auf dem Misskey-Fork Calckey. Er begrüßt Neuankömmlinge auf Mastodon [i]immer[/i] damit, ihnen sofort zu erklären, daß das Fediverse nicht nur Mastodon ist.

Warum sollte ausgerechnet er ein [b][u]Fediverse[/u][/b]-Nutzerverzeichnis starten und es "[b][u]Masto[/u][/b]dir" nennen? Das würde implizieren, daß "Fediverse" und "Mastodon" deckungs- und bedeutungsgleich wären. Genau das Gegenteil von dem, was er nicht müde wird, Mastodon-Nutzern zu erklären.

Statt dessen drängt er unablässig die eigentlichen Schöpfer und Betreiber dazu, "Mastodir" in "Fedidir" umzubenennen, weil es eben [i]nicht[/i] nur Mastodon-Konten enthält, sondern potentielle Kontakte aus dem ganzen Fediverse.

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I've just completed the [b]Eleven Cities Tour[/b], an ...

2025-01-05T17:47:03Z

I've just completed the [b]Eleven Cities Tour[/b], an ice-skating event with eleven checkpoints.

Not the real deal ([url=https://www.visitleeuwarden.com/en/blogs/en-elfstedentocht]Elfstedentocht[/url]) which hasn't been possible in the last 28 years, but the virtual version that one can take at [url=https://opensimworld.com/hop/89602]Catronian Archipelago[/url] in [url=https://kitely.com]Kitely[/url]. And even though it's much shorter (it has to fit onto one square kilometre), and it has only got one small town, it's still nice.

Also, I was actually ten days early.

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In case you haven't read that yet: This month, ...

2025-01-03T10:54:08Z

In case you haven't read that yet: This month, @[zrl=https://node9.org/channel/node9]node9.org ;-) open culture ~ sustainable media[/zrl] is in for a [url=https://nlnet.nl/core]NGI0 Core[/url] grant from @[url=https://social.nlnet.nl/@nlnet]NLnet[/url] for automated deployment of [url=https://hubzilla.org]Hubzilla[/url] nodes and [url=https://codeberg.org/streams/streams](streams)[/url] instances. I do hope this gives especially (streams) the push it deserves, seeing as it barely has any public instances anymore.

[url=https://nlnet.nl/project/Threadiverse-ReproducibleDeployment/]Here is the original post:[/url]
[quote][h1]Threadiverse Reproducible Deployment[/h1]

[i]Reproducible deployment for Threadiverse servers[/i]

Fediverse is more than short form microblogging. The ActivityPub protocol connects all kinds of software for various communication needs. Some of those are concentrated on long blogs and threaded discussion forums. A common understanding of conversations in ActivityPub and their secure and safe-from-spam implementation is being developed in several fediverse projects. This project focuses on stable and documented automated deployment for two of them - Hubzilla and Streams, including interoperability tests. This will support threadiverse standardization efforts, and help to bring features like group photoalbums and full channel portability between instances.[/quote]

Interesting, however, how Hubzilla and (streams) count as parts of the Threadiverse now.

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I think the list can be made more useful for showing it to ...

2025-01-03T09:07:44Z

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I think the list can be made more useful for showing it to Mastodon users who have never heard of Hubzilla, especially those who are fully convinced that Mastodon is the bee's knees.

I'm not sure if the line "Social Media" is appropriate. "Social media" usually refers to stuff like Twitter, but Hubzilla is nothing like Twitter. Hubzilla is more of a "social network" which is something like Facebook, but Mastodon, Bluesky and Threads aren't that.

One line that I think is really missing is "Character Limit".
[list][*]Hubzilla: unlimited (or you could ask the devs about the database field length and list that as a character limit)
[*]Mastodon: 500
[*]Threads: 500
[*]Bluesky: 300[/list]

Another three lines that could be useful:
[list][*]Text Formatting (Hubzilla: yes; Mastodon: read-only, limited)
[*]Embedded Images (Hubzilla: yes, Mastodon: no)
[*]Number of Images per Post (Hubzilla: unlimited, Mastodon: 4)[/list]

"Polls" could have a number of maximum options which is unlimited on Hubzilla and 4 on Mastodon.

"Multiple Channels per Account" should rather be "Multiple Separate Identities per Account" because people who don't know Hubzilla don't know what "channel" means on Hubzilla. It means something totally different on Friendica, for example.

Likewise, "Block Channels" should be "Block Actors" or something else that everyone understands.

"Applications (Apps)" should be "Add-ons that can be activated by users" or something. When a Mastodon or Bluesky or Threads user reads "apps", they think of something that you can install on your phone.

The X for Hubzilla under Lists/Feeds makes it look like it's impossible to organise connections into groups and send posts only to a certain group on Hubzilla. Also, it looks like Mastodon has invented that feature. But Hubzilla has something like Mastodon's lists: privacy groups. I'd suggest to split this up and also add a line, "Posts Visible Only to Specific Groups of People".

"Prevent Replies to Your Posts" appears to have an explanation somewhere, but it doesn't.

Maybe you could add "WebDAV" under "Files (Cloud Storage)", "CalDAV Server" under "Events / Calendar" and "CardDAV Server", marked optional, under that.

Under "Networks and Protocols", there should be two lines for feeds. One could be "Built-in Feeds" (Hubzilla: yes, Atom; Mastodon: yes, RSS), one could be "Subscribe to Feeds" (Hubzilla: yes, Mastodon: no).

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[size=32][b]HAPPY NEW YEAR![/b][/size] By the way: Virtual ...

2024-12-31T23:06:04Z

[size=32][b]HAPPY NEW YEAR![/b][/size]

By the way: Virtual fireworks are clean, quiet, they don't smell, they leave nothing behind, and you can re-use them.

It's still disquieting that they're being launched at a blimp circling above the scenery...

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@[url=https://c.im/@youronlyone]Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta ...

2024-12-30T21:32:10Z

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@[url=https://c.im/@youronlyone]Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣[/url] And the best part: [url=https://opennomad.net/page/nomad/home]The Open Nomad website[/url] itself is actually part of a Hubzilla channel. (And quite obviously so.)

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't nomadic with at least one clone itself.

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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel ...

2024-12-27T09:16:07Z

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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic[/url] It isn't just because of compression, nor is it because I scale my images down from my original 2100x1400 renderings to 800x533.

As I've said: I don't describe the image with the things in it. I describe the things. Not as they appear in the image, but as they are in-world where I can walk closer to them or move the camera closer to them. It's like an image with a near-infinite resolution.

For example, if there's a light grey blob in the image, four pixels wide, three pixels high, I describe it as what it is in-world, a white sign with three lines of black writing on it. I transcribe the text on the sign 100% verbatim including all spelling mistakes, I translate it afterwards if it isn't in English, I may even explain the text if someone out there needs an explanation, and I may go as far as naming and describing the typeface.

Or if there are two by two pixels on different levels between red and white, I describe them as what they are in-world, a strawberry cocktail in a conical glass, somewhat like a Martini glass. And I slap an "alcohol" content warning on the whole post. Nowadays, I'd even flag the image sensitive just because of these four pixels.

I used to go as far as describing images within my image and even images within images within my image at higher levels of detail than anyone else would describe their own images. I used to describe things that weren't even visible in-world in the place shown in the image. Pictures of places that I would have to walk or even teleport to to be able to describe them. Textures that I would have to make visible otherwise to be able to see all details.

The last time I've described an image in an image with details not visible in the place shown in my image was in [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/136f021c-06cb-4e38-abe6-2bf37fd521d8]this post[/url]. I used almost 5,000 characters to describe a poster on the info board. I had to walk to the place displayed in the image on the poster to be able to describe it. The description of the image within the image got so lengthy that, when I was done, I had to remind the reader that I'm returning to describing "my" image. And I actually "cheated" by adjusting the camera in such a way that one of the three posters on the info board is entirely concealed behind a tree trunk because it would have been painfully difficult to describe.

I stopped going that deep when I wrote the image description for [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7]what will probably remain my last image post on this channel[/url]. The long description was already growing absolutely humongous, and it's my longest one to date with over 60,000 characters. I had actually thought this scene would be easy to describe.

The problem I encountered was that there were simply too many images within images within my image. There's one teleporter near the left-hand edge with a preview image that made me reconsider. In-world, no matter how close I move the camera to the preview image, it mostly shows a square area that appear to be tan all over except for something dark and unidentifiable in the middle.

Actually, however, the place shown in the preview image has hundreds of single-destination teleporters. Several dozen of them are activated and have one preview image each of their destination. I teleported there to take closer looks at everything. I was actually about to write a description of that "teleport station" when I realised that I also had to describe every single one of these preview images, at least those that face the camera in the preview image on the teleporter in the place that I was originally describing. And some of these preview images had images in them in turn.

I would have had to describe probably over a hundred images. In dozens of images. On teleporters which are shown in yet another image on a sub-pixel level. In an image description which was already going out of hand length-wise. On the second day that I was working on that image description. I would have had to teleport at least [i]three times[/i] from the place shown in my image to be able to describe these sub-sub-subimages.

That was when I decided to sacrifice details for convenience and only describe what's visible in-world within the borders of the image, excluding both objects that are entirely obstructed by something else and surfaces that entirely face away from the point of view. I do fully transcribe any text that's partially obstructed, though, although I'm considering two transcripts of such texts, namely one transcript of what's visible and one full transcript for better understanding.

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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel ...

2024-12-27T07:16:09Z

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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic[/url] I always consider "let them ask if they want to know" bad style for such elementary information. It seems to me like one of these things where Mastodon's good alt-text proponents may criticise you for not mentioning it right away.

That is, I wouldn't put that information into the alt-text. I only have about 900 or 1,000 characters at my disposal for describing an image in alt-text. Mastodon, Misskey and their forks chop alt-texts over 1,500 characters off in posts from outside, and I need the rest of the characters to explain where a longer and more detailed description can be found for as long as there are still instances of Mastodon under 4.4 around.

This is information that would go into said long description. I've always put the long description into the post itself where I technically don't have any character limits. The limit of 100,000 characters above which Mastodon may completely reject posts is not much to worry about either as long as I don't have multiple highly detailed images with little in common to describe.

Leaving out the information where an image is from, unless I have very good reasons to keep the location secret, feels like not giving a long description at all. And not giving the long and detailed description, in the case of my original images, is like omitting the alt-text for "normal" images entirely.

I've asked the above question because I have a series of images which are special cases. If surroundings were visible in the images and not too generic, I would definitely explain where the image was made, not although, but [i]because[/i] next to nobody in the Fediverse could tell from looking at the image where it was made because even the sighted users would never have seen anything like it before.

I want to give everyone in the Fediverse the chance to see the image not only like any sighted person sees it, but like I see the original. This is also why I describe details and transcribe text so tiny that they're basically invisible in the image at its given resolution.

But in this special case, the images don't carry any information at all on where they're from. In other words, the information where they're from might be completely useless. Or it might not.

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Now I'm wondering again: Let's suppose I have a series of ...

2024-12-26T21:09:36Z

Now I'm wondering again:

Let's suppose I have a series of 3-D virtual world images that have a plain white background because they were intentionally created in front of a plain white background. It's impossible to tell from the images where they were made, and when I post them, it won't matter within the context where they were made.

Any chances that someone out there might still want to know where exactly I've made these images? Either someone who doesn't know about these worlds, and who is totally curious about them, or one of those probably fewer than 20 Fediverse users who [i]does[/i] know about these worlds, and who wants to know where I've gone to make these images?

I can easily spare the few hundred extra characters. The only character limit I have to worry about are the 100,000 characters above which Mastodon probably rejects a post from outside.

@[url=https://a.gup.pe/u/accessibility]accessibility group[/url] @[url=https://a.gup.pe/u/a11y]a11y group[/url]

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I'd really like to do some virtual "photo-blogging" ...

2024-12-25T19:00:39Z

I'd really like to do some virtual "photo-blogging" with multiple in-world pictures in each post, especially now that so many Christmas-themed and winter-themed sims are online.

But that's completely out of question if it takes me two days or more to adequately describe one measly image. Adequate image descriptions are increasingly becoming mandatory in posts that may end up on Mastodon.

I guess that even applies to Hubzilla articles although they don't federate through the Fediverse, simply because they're on Hubzilla, and Hubzilla is part of the Fediverse. (That said, articles have the advantage over posts of not being butchered by Mastodon's HTML sanitiser.) I do have a (streams) channel for in-world picture posts, but (streams) doesn't have articles, and so it kind of limits me to the maximum of four images per post that Mastodon allows.

Also, I've yet to find a way and a place to add long descriptions for images in posts in which the images are embedded within the text rather than at the end. Mind you, I'm not talking about the alt-text; I know where it goes. I'm talking about the long image descriptions which all my original in-world images get. Something that has grown up to 60,000 characters in length for one single image in the past.

So far, I've always added the long descriptions to the post itself. It's fairly easy to do if there's only one image, and it follows the actual post text with no more post text following the image. In that case, I simply add the long description after the image.

If there are multiple images, that's when things get tricky. I've tried adding each description right after the corresponding image for three images. I only had a wee little bit of actual post at the very beginning in this case. Still, there are over 37,000 characters of image description between the first and the second image. If Mastodon supported embedded images, hardly anyone would ever even scrolled down to the second image, much less the third one.

What seems to have worked better was what I did here and here with two images: First the post text, then the images, then the common image description preamble, then the individual image description parts for each image. The major downside is that there's a lot of text between each image and its corresponding description. And still, the actual post text is above the first image in its entirety.

Especially the third link leads to an image post in which I've "cheated" by reducing the surroundings to a minimum and the necessary image-describing effort along with them. It still took me eight hours to describe and explain both images, not including the alt-texts distilled from the long descriptions. And I still ended up with over 20,000 characters for the whole image description block.

Virtual photo-blogging would be something else. It'd show much, much more surroundings, probably more than in the first image post I've linked to. And it'd mean four images per post. Even if I didn't describe, explain or transcribe anything more than once, describing four images with a lot of landscape and decoration in them at sufficient levels of detail would take me well over a week, mornings to evenings, provided I can actually dedicate such a big chunk of time to nothing but describing images.

Also, the resulting image descriptions would be so massive that if I put them into the post, the post probably wouldn't go anywhere but Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) because it'd simply be too long. Mastodon, where accurate and adequately detailed image descriptions are a must, rejects all post over 100,000 characters as far as I know, and my post would exceed this limit. Pleroma and Akkoma have a lower limit, and I guess Misskey and its forks have even lower limits.

A while ago, someone suggested to me that I could upload the long descriptions someplace else and then link to them in my posts. That'd shorten and clean up the posts immensely, and it'd work with images embedded in-between sections of post text.

I've actually toyed with the idea and how to carry it out without having to rely on anything outside of Hubzilla. Ultimately, I've pretty much nixed it. Not only because it's untested and unreliable, but mostly because every image description except for the first would grow tremendously in length.

That's because all information that's relevant for all four images would have to be in all four image descriptions. If I have four image description files, each one with its own link below the corresponding image, I can't count on everyone opening the first description first, then the second description and so forth. But if someone only opens the description for the third or the fourth image, I want them to have all relevant information regardless without sending them to the previous descriptions.

Granted, it's probably more inconvenient for the readers than for me. If I need something four times, I can copy-paste it three times. The readers, on the other hand, have to endure largely the same unprecedentedly massive infodump up to four times over in one post. Even more often if a photoblog post continues in comments or other posts to include more than four images.

Still, not only do the readers have to deal with a whole lot of information to be able to fully understand my images, but I have to research and write it in the first place. Three or four photo-blogging posts with four images each, and I won't get to do anything else than describe images for a solid month.

Lastly, I'm not going to cut down the detail level of my image descriptions any further. I know that at least some people enjoy them. And I've hardly ever been criticised by sighted people and never by blind or visually-impaired people, let alone sanctioned by Mastodon's alt-text police, for writing too long and/or too detailed image descriptions. Maybe the alt-text police has yet to notice my image posts.

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Well, that's a nice early Christmas present: ...

2024-12-22T17:41:12Z

Well, that's a nice early Christmas present: [url=https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/-/releases/10.0]Hubzilla 10[/url] was recently rolled out, and Netzgemeinde was updated today. There has even already been a quick bug fix release, [url=https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/-/releases/10.0.1]10.0.1[/url].

One killer feature is the introduction of [url=https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/171b/fep-171b.md]conversation containers as per FEP-171b[/url]. (streams) has had them for quite a while already, Forte was born with them, now Hubzilla has them, too. I pity all those with no sensible conversation support.

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2024-12-21T08:58:30Z

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@[url=https://techhub.social/@negative12dollarbill]Negative12DollarBill[/url] I'm kind of missing the option that factuality doesn't matter as long as the alt-text is entertaining. I think not exactly few blind or visually-impaired people think this way.

Anyway, I'll stick with facts. It's hard enough for me to describe images factually and then distill my long descriptions down to a size that fits into alt-text. I don't want to be required to add whimsy, especially not in the alt-text itself where I simply don't have any room for whimsy.

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Celebrating a double anniversary in-world at the weekly ...

2024-12-20T21:39:24Z

Celebrating a double anniversary in-world at the weekly Rock-House today:

Unofficial of Dorenas World (15 years ago, an early home-hosted instance of my home grid was launched; the official anniversary will be next month).

And Alan Parsons' birthday. So there's a lot of Alan Parsons playing today. (By the way, "grid mama" @[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/dorena]Dorena Verne[/zrl] is a big Alan Parsons fan.)

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@[url=https://toot.io/@jan]Jan[/url] Well, it is possible to use ...

2024-12-19T13:16:32Z

In reply to nevent1q…gcjq
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@[url=https://toot.io/@jan]Jan[/url] Well, it is possible to use the Mastodon client API for features that Mastodon itself doesn't have like text formatting. But, for example, many mobile apps don't support text formatting because Mastodon doesn't, although everything that isn't Mastodon does. They're built only against Mastodon.

And there are things, mostly Web services, that either do the same, use the client API, implement only Mastodon features and depend hard on features that only Mastodon has. Or they skip APIs and build directly against Mastodon, again, requiring the presence of features only available on Mastodon in the required way.

Then they have the audacity to have "Fedi" in their names while being completely incompatible with Pleroma, Misskey, Iceshrimp, Friendica, Hubzilla etc., essentially everything that isn't Mastodon or maybe a Mastodon fork.

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2024-12-19T11:49:15Z

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@[url=https://mastodon.roundpond.net/@CartyBoston]CartyBoston[/url] I guess people who only know Mastodon see this differently from people who actively use something in the Fediverse that is not Mastodon.

The difference is:

If you "implement ActivityPub", it will work with, for example, Mastodon and its forks, Pleroma and its forks, Misskey and its forks, GoToSocial, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). As long as they have a reasonable ActivityPub implementation itself.

If you "implement Mastodon", it's only guaranteed to work with Mastodon.

It may or may not work with Mastodon forks, Pleroma and its forks, Misskey and its forks, GoToSocial and Friendica. If it doesn't, it never will because the non-Mastodon Fediverse is not officially supported. In fact, the devs may not even know that there's something in the Fediverse that's federated with Mastodon, but that isn't Mastodon.

It will most likely not work with Hubzilla, which is what I use, and (streams). They, too, are federated with Mastodon, by the way.

But this is the way a whole lot of things in or for the Fediverse are developed.

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As @[url=https://pod.geraspora.de/u/denschub]Dennis ...

2024-12-19T11:30:04Z

@[url=https://flipboard.social/@mike]Mike McCue[/url] What are ...

2024-12-18T18:52:13Z

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@[url=https://flipboard.social/@mike]Mike McCue[/url] What are the chances that the ActivityPub side will get full (or any) support for Pleroma and its forks, Misskey and its forks, Friendica and other things that use the Mastodon client API?

Or even server applications that can speak ActivityPub, but that don't have the Mastodon client API implemented?

I sincerely hope that Surf isn't built against only Mastodon so hard that it's impossible to add more than just incidental and unsupported compatibility with anything that isn't Mastodon.

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@[url=https://newsmast.social/@newsmast]Newsmast Foundation[/url] ...

2024-12-18T14:41:48Z

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@[url=https://newsmast.social/@newsmast]Newsmast Foundation[/url] It's next to impossible to cover everything anyway.

You'd have to follow a lot of sources. Not everything gets reposted/repeated/boosted/renoted; for example, Mike Macgirvin's development news are always private.

And how do you, as a newscaster, want to keep up with the constant creation of new Forkeys?

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@[url=https://mkultra.x27.one/@aliceif]aliceif[/url] [quote]This ...

2024-12-17T19:57:58Z

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@[url=https://mkultra.x27.one/@aliceif]aliceif[/url] [quote]This is also why I find the western Misskey forks' desire to pander to mobile users by trying to function with existing Mastodon Clients so counterproductive - the Mastodon Clients often just don't care. They really only are for Mastodon and everything else is "good luck have fun".[/quote]
Or rather, "Wait, you exist?!"

And IIRC, Misskey has its own client API. Aria seems to be the shooting star mobile app for the *keys.

[quote]Frontless servers to me are a bad idea, as things stand - despite the appeal in speeding up initial development.[/quote]
In this regard, Pleroma and Akkoma are the best of both worlds. Headless server, own client API, respective official frontend has its own repository, but you may install third-party frontends instead. And Mangane is actually (also) built against the *omas. "Akkomane" is a thing.

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@[url=https://mkultra.x27.one/@aliceif]aliceif[/url] That, of ...

2024-12-17T14:36:42Z

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@[url=https://mkultra.x27.one/@aliceif]aliceif[/url] That, of course, sounds like trouble. No frontend offers you the full functionality with no problems. But still, it's obvious that Hollo is developed for a Mastodon-dominated Fediverse with a side of *key and little regard for anything else. I wouldn't be surprised if the Hollo dev, like at least three quarters of the Fediverse, had never even heard of Hubzilla.

Hubzilla is a special case in many ways. It wasn't built into a Mastodon-dominated Fediverse because it was initially created some four years before Mastodon. Also, it doesn't have replacing Twitter as any of its goals. You can use it for microblogging, yes, but then, you can use it for almost anything. Even [url=https://hubzilla.org]the official Hubzilla website[/url] runs on Hubzilla.

Granted, Friendica is even older. After all, Friendica's own creator started Hubzilla as a Friendica fork. But Friendica's new developers decided for Friendica to approach Mastodon in some ways. In Hubzilla's case, in stark contrast, it's an explicit design and development decision not to do that. Part of Hubzilla's philosophy is to remain independent from the rest of the Fediverse.

Hubzilla is also one of the few Fediverse projects whose ActivityPub implementation is not designed for maximum Mastodon compatibility. That's partly because Hubzilla is the only Fediverse project that had ActivityPub before Mastodon. And Mastodon's adoption of ActivityPub caused quite some head-butting between Mike Macgirvin and Eugen Rochko.

That's only some of the reasons why the Mastodon API would never work for Hubzilla, and Hubzilla will always require its own tailor-made frontends.

Beyond that, there are those many, many things neither covered by the Mastodon API nor by any Mastodon-compatible app. And I'm not just talking about CMS or groupware features like [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/articles/jupiter_rowland]articles[/url], cards, [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/wiki/jupiter_rowland]wikis[/url], webpages or [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/calendar.html]the two built-in calendar systems[/url]. (That is, Hubzilla's CalDAV calendars are edited the best with external apps, but via CalDAV and not via the Mastodon API.)

It actually starts at Hubzilla's handling of identities. Your identity is not tied to your account. Your login is not your identity. [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/accounts_profiles_channels_basics.html]You can have as many fully separate identities, called "channels", on the same account with the same login[/url]. And thanks to [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/clone.html]nomadic identity[/url], you can have the same channel, the same identity, on multiple server instances with different accounts and logins.

An app based on Mastodon and its API would only let you access your default channel at best. At worst, it won't let you access anything because it expects your identity and all your stuff directly on your account, and it's completely unaware of the existence of channels. This is already a feature that's essential for using Hubzilla, but that absolutely requires a UI tailor-made for Hubzilla.

Then there is the distinction between posts and comments. Hubzilla does not mimic Twitter. It's closer to Facebook and blogs.

For one, Hubzilla doesn't display content bit by bit like Mastodon does, at least not by default. It's actually an option that nobody ever uses which may be why it's no longer available on (streams). Instead, it always displays conversations as a whole, just like Facebook, just like blogs, just like forms. Post on top with a title, comments below in chronological order. Always. Even when a new comment comes in, or someone has liked or repeated a comment, when you go and look at what happened, you get the whole thread.

Speaking of which, on Hubzilla, you don't usually do as you'd do on 𝕏 or Mastodon and scroll through your feed/timeline until either you hit stuff that you've already read, or you want no more. Instead, Hubzilla, like everything that Mike Macgirvin has made, has a counter for unnoticed actions. If you open it, you get a list of these actions that you haven't paid attention to yet. Click one, and you're taken to the thread where it happened (and only that thread is shown to you), and everything that was unread in this thread is flagged read.

In addition, 𝕏 has only one editor for everything, posts, comments (which [i]are[/i] posts), DMs. So does Mastodon. So do all Twitter/𝕏 alternatives in the Fediverse.

But Facebook doesn't. It has a separate entry area for comments. So do blogs. And so forth. And so does Hubzilla. It has [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/posting.html]a post editor[/url], and it has [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/commenting.html]a separate comment editor with a different set of features[/url] right at the bottom of each thread. It's geared towards having these two separate editors. Even using Friendica, which does have the Mastodon client API implemented, with a one-editor app has to be hackish.

All this continues with text formatting. Unlike the *keys and some Mastodon forks, Hubzilla doesn't use Markdown. It uses [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/bbcode.html]BBcode with some crazy additions that go way beyond what you can find on bulletin board forums[/url]. This goes all the way to integration of OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on and [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/insert_images.html]being able to embed any number of images right in your post, basically in-line, with text above and more text below[/url].

Generally, image handling, including alt-text. On Mastodon and its forks, you attach your images to your posts as files, and then you get one dedicated entry field for alt-text for each image.

On Hubzilla, you first go to your [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/photos.html]Photos app[/url] and use it to upload the images you want to add to your post to the WebDAV-enabled file space built into your channel. You have to pay attention to setting the permissions both for the image files and for the subfolder correctly. Then you go to your post editor (not the comment editor which doesn't officially support inserting images) and select the image you want to embed. And then [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/display/2729b9ab-1eed-4bb7-8538-c82aea40d2cf]you have to get your hands dirty on raw BBcode image-embedding code to add alt-text[/url]. (Notice how I've linked to a Hubzilla support forum instead of the WIP help rewrite because there still is no official documentation on how to add alt-text on Hubzilla.)

Any UI elements geared towards the Mastodon way of adding images to posts are useless on Hubzilla, and nothing on a UI for Mastodon can be used to add images to posts the Hubzilla way. Again, you need a Hubzilla-specific UI for this.

By default, and I guess it's actually recommended, posts and comments are composed in raw BBcode rather than WYSIWYG. The lack of a preview button in your average Mastodon app is actually a lesser issue, although it still is an issue.

Next, posting permissions. Mastodon has "Public", "Unlisted", "Followers only" and "Private". All apps are geared towards this.

Hubzilla, in contrast, has the [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/permissions_content.html]ACL[/url]. It offers you to post in public, to post only to yourself, to post to one of your [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/privacy_groups.html]privacy groups[/url] (think Mastodon lists on piles of coke and 'roids), or to post to any individual custom selection of connections of yours. There's no "Followers only", there's no "Unlisted", and there's stuff that's completely unthinkable from a Mastodon POV.

Oh, and if you run your Hubzilla channel on bone-stock standard default settings, you post to a privacy group named "Friends" unless you explicitly choose otherwise. But you have to be able to choose otherwise in order not to only post to that privacy group. An app made for Mastodon won't give you the UI elements to do so.

In fact, an app geared towards the Twitter-style dichotomy of followers on the one side and followed on the other side will clash with Hubzilla because of just this. Again, Hubzilla is not like Twitter. It's like Facebook. It doesn't have one-sided following connections. It only has [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/connecting_with_channels.html]mutual connections[/url] like Facebook friends.

This means that [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/connections.html]handling connections on Hubzilla[/url], but with a UI made for Mastodon, is next to impossible at worst and very, very limited and much less than optimal at best.

For example, let's suppose someone wants to connect to me. On Mastodon, I'd just simply confirm their follow request if I've chosen to do so. Then I may decide whether or not I follow them back.

Here on my Hubzilla channel, a connection request takes me to the [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/connection_editor.html]connection editor[/url]. There I choose a [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/permissions_contact_roles.html]contact role[/url] for the new connection that defines which permissions that contact shall have. I add the connection to one or multiple privacy groups, of which I have a lot. I adjust the affinity slider. I may also assign [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/profiles.html]a different profile than my default one[/url] to that connection. I may add lines to one of the two filter lists which I have per connection. Finally, I usually hide the new connection. And then I confirm it which not only grants the permissions in the contact role to the contact, but also establishes a bidirectional connection. It's like automatically following everyone back on Mastodon.

Apart maybe from the confirmation button, not even a single one of these features is available on any of the Twitter replacements in the Fediverse, and thus, not in any of the apps geared towards these either. If I were able to use Hubzilla with a Mastodon app, I'd still have to fire up a browser or a Web app or wait until I'm back home to confirm connection requests.

All this only covers your daily operation. I haven't even talked about [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/settings.html]configuration[/url] yet, including the [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/permissions_channel_roles.html]channel role[/url] which defines the basics of Hubzilla's extensive permissions system.

There's exactly one app that works with Hubzilla. It's called [url=https://f-droid.org/de/packages/com.dfa.hubzilla_android/]Nomad[/url], it's only available on F-Droid, it hasn't been updated in over five years, and it's actually a Web app that works like a specialised browser and embeds Hubzilla's Web UI.

A fully dedicated mobile app for Hubzilla that entirely relies on a native mobile UI would be so complex even for normal operation (disregarding the CMS bits) that it'd be more complex than K-9 Mail. If you want to go all the way, including [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/apps.html]app management[/url] (which controls Hubzilla's optional features, and which of these are available to you can differ from hub to hub) and CMS features and such, it'd be even more complex.

The only realistic way to have different frontends for Hubzilla would be the built-in theming feature. It doesn't mean different colours and button styles. A theme on Hubzilla can be an entirely different UI, but one that you can individually choose for each one of your channels. It's like being on Akkoma and being able to switch between Akkoma-FE, Phanpy and Mangane on your account at any given time.

That is, currently, Hubzilla has only got one built-in theme. It has become [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/usermanual/display_settings.html]quite flexible in terms of colours and background images[/url], and it even as a dark mode which is every bit as configurable as the light mode. More themes are being worked on in the community right now, but I wouldn't count on them coming with all stock Hubzilla installs, much less automatically added to all existing hubs.

So if you want an alternative UI for Hubzilla, you don't install it [i]next to[/i] your hub, just like you install Phanpy next to Hollo or GoToSocial. You install it [i]into[/i] your hub instead.

And the best way of developing alternative UIs for Hubzilla is not as fully separate external applications that try to latch onto Hubzilla from outside. It rather is as [url=https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/develmanual/Plugins.html]a third-party add-on for Hubzilla itself[/url].

Hubzilla is modular and extendable with third-party repositories.

Lastly, both desktop and mobile use can profit from it because the best way to use Hubzilla on a phone is as a Progressive Web App.

@[url=https://sironi.tk/users/luca]Luca Sironi[/url], maybe this is interesting for you as well.

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@[url=https://sironi.tk/users/luca]Luca Sironi[/url] It depends. ...

2024-12-17T08:58:57Z

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@[url=https://sironi.tk/users/luca]Luca Sironi[/url] It depends. Not everything works well frontless because not everything works well with a frontend made for Mastodon.

Hubzilla, for example, has a UI that's largely stuck in 2012. Also, it doesn't have the Mastodon client API implemented. But a frontend designed for Mastodon couldn't even cover 5% of Hubzilla's features. It would not grant access to features that are actually critical for operating a Hubzilla channel such as any parts of the permissions system.

And that's actually one of the reasons why Hubzilla doesn't have the Mastodon client API implemented: The only UI that can sufficiently harness Hubzilla's power is Hubzilla's own native Web UI.

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I think I've lost track of what the hot stuff in the ...

2024-12-17T00:28:31Z

I think I've lost track of what the hot stuff in the Fediverse is right now. Was it Sharkey after all?

But I can tell you what the hotness around the turn of the year and in early 2025 will be: pairing frontend-less GoToSocial with all kinds of Fediverse Web frontends.

You've read it here first.

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To my surprise, [url=https://fedidevs.com]FediDevs.com[/url] ...

2024-12-16T14:17:27Z

To my surprise, [url=https://fedidevs.com]FediDevs.com[/url] indexes instances of more Fediverse server apps than I thought.

What I've found so far, other than hundreds upon hundreds of Mastodon instances:
[list][*]three Pixelfed instances
[*]one instance each of Firefish, Sharkey and Catodon, indicating that it's compatible with at least the Forkeys
[*]two GoToSocial instances
[*]micro.blog
[*]Symfony Station's Payload newsletter which seems to be running their own proprietary code
[*]three Friendica nodes (!)
[*]the main development instance of Mitra (I'm not sure if that's the one used for testing nomadic identity via ActivityPub)[/list]

One could suppose that all these server applications have taken active steps to become more compatible with Mastodon, but I've got my doubts that standard support for any Mastodon API is sufficient, and that they all have gone beyond API support.

Some things that I've yet to see on the list for the first time:
[list][*]Misskey itself
[*]Iceshrimp, both JavaScript Iceshrimp and Iceshrimp.NET
[*]Pleroma and any of its forks
[*]any of Friendica's nomadic descendants (Hubzilla, (streams) and that one well-hidden Forte instance)
[*]anything from the Threadiverse (Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed...)[/list]

Still, their [url=https://fedidevs.com/starter-packs/]starter packs[/url] not only only seem to work on Mastodon, but it seems to be only possible to add Mastodon accounts and nothing else. It says a lot that [url=https://fedidevs.com/s/NDI/]the one starter pack decidedly for non-Mastodon accounts[/url] is completely empty.

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@[url=https://blog.rozman.info/author/tomi/]Tomi[/url] Nope. ...

2024-12-16T13:49:29Z

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@[url=https://blog.rozman.info/author/tomi/]Tomi[/url] Nope. [i]Mastodon[/i] got them. They can only be used on Mastodon.

Worse yet: It's apparently impossible to add anything that isn't on Mastodon to a starter pack. Case in point: the starter pack "[url=https://fedidevs.com/s/NDI/]a selection of non mastodon accounts to follow[/url]". It's empty. It looks like @[url=https://social.wake.st/users/liaizon]wakest ⁂[/url] tried to add non-Mastodon accounts/channels to the list and failed because it's impossible.

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2024-12-15T13:16:08Z

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2024-12-09T19:57:22Z

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@[url=https://genista.osrx.chat/@genista]Gₑₙᵢₛₜₐ[/url] [quote]Mein Standpunkt ist das viele es schon merken werden ( auch ich hab das am Anfang nicht geblickt).[/quote]
Nachdem sie sich monate- oder jahrelang an ein Fediverse gewöhnt haben, das nur aus dem flauschigen Wollmammut besteht. Daß es anders sein könnte, ist für sie gänzlich unvorstellbar.

Dann läuft ihnen ein vermeintlicher "Tröt" über den Weg, der so völlig anders ist als all das, was aus ihrer bisherigen reinen Mastodon-Bubble kam. Mehr als 500 Zeichen. Textformatierung. Ein Zitat. Eine Drüko oder Druko (also ein "Quote-Tröt").

Das ist für viele so verstörend wie ein H.R.-Giger-Xenomorph in einer Schafherde. Einige glauben erst an eine "böse", "gehackte" Mastodon-Instanz. Wenn sie dann erfahren, daß das von etwas ist, das mit Mastodon verbunden ist, also mit ihnen auf Mastodon, das aber selbst nicht Mastodon ist, sind sie nicht selten noch mehr verstört.

Und dann wollen sie das weghaben. Sie wollen ihr flauschiges reines Mastodon-Fediverse wiederhaben. So Sachen wie Calckey, das @[url=https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel]crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts[/url] nutzt, oder Friendica oder das von mir genutzte Hubzilla nehmen sie als Eindringlinge wahr, die sich gerade erst unrechtmäßigerweise ins Mastodon-Fediverse reingehackt haben.

Wohlgemerkt, Hubzilla ist je nach Definition entweder zehn Monate oder knapp vier Jahre älter als Mastodon und Friendica fünfeinhalb Jahre. Und Mastodon ist mit beiden so lange verbunden, wie es selbst existiert.

Auch die Mastodon-Kultur, die viele Mastodon-Nutzer zur verpflichtenden Kultur für das gesamte Fediverse machen wollen, ist so erschaffen worden von Mastodon-Nutzern, die zu dem Zeitpunkt nicht mal ahnten, daß das Fediverse vielleicht mehr ist als nur Mastodon. Sie ist komplett und ausschließlich ausgelegt auf die Features von Mastodon 3.x und auch nur auf die.

Es gibt zwischen Mastodon-Nutzern und Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzern in dieser Hinsicht zwei große Unterschiede.

Zum einen:

Mastodon-Nutzer haben entweder kein Problem, die Mastodon-Kultur zu leben, oder sie tun es längst. Immerhin ist die Mastodon-Kultur zugeschnitten auf das, was sie eh nutzen.

Für Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer bedeutet die verpflichtende Mastodon-Kultur aber die Aufgabe der Kultur dessen, was sie selbst benutzen, und damit auch die Aufgabe von auch mal 90% der Features von dem, was sie selbst benutzen. Denn die Nutzung dieser Features stört die Mastodon-Kultur.

Zum anderen:

Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer kennen es vielfach, dafür attackiert zu werden, daß sie sich nicht ganz genau so verhalten, wie man es auf Mastodon erwartet.

Mastodon-Nutzer können sich dagegen vielfach nicht mal vorstellen, daß das überhaupt passiert. Denn ihnen passiert das nicht.

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Not apparently. He's actually here.

2024-12-08T23:59:44Z

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Not apparently. He's actually here.

I'm staying up late for this. Apparently, Philip Rosedale, ...

2024-12-08T23:55:13Z

Nostr event nevent1qqstwhdgl98c4rm02vusunr67cmlpah388p6l5awykpry7wz57w57nszyzrqs9t098608gvxf2z04s8tfew2zven93wev7cr4q6fucmzu76qg7j20sr

2024-12-07T19:42:18Z

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@[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/juno_rowland]Juno Rowland[/zrl] You can clearly tell those who followed the event announcement from those who simply used OpenSimWorld or even only an OSW beacon to go where there has to be a big party because there are a lot of avatars.

The former, the vast majority, are dressed up. The latter aren't, and they're surprised to see the former dressed up at what's clearly a ballroom event.

And now ...

2024-12-07T18:47:28Z

In reply to nevent1q…2lvr
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And now @[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/juno_rowland]Juno Rowland[/zrl] and I are at Marlon Wayne's Christmas ball. At least all those who knew there's a ball going on here are dressed up to the nines.

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Ubit Umarov is at OSCC. With his OSgrid avatar. Which means that ...

2024-12-07T15:13:33Z

This is going to be one busy day in OpenSim. I'll have to ...

2024-12-07T11:52:03Z

@[url=https://disabled.social/@raphaelmorgan]Morgan ⚧️[/url] ...

2024-12-07T08:56:48Z

In reply to nevent1q…8680
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@[url=https://disabled.social/@raphaelmorgan]Morgan ⚧️[/url] Well, what I meant with "do what I do anyway" is not what everyone else does.

My Fediverse meme posts have fairly standard image descriptions. What may make them long and complex are the explanations. They matter in this context because everyone else would explain meme images in the alt-text, but explanations don't belong into alt-text. And meme posts about Fediverse things do need a lot of explanation if they go beyond Mastodon, and mine tend to go way beyond Mastodon.

[b](Content warning: eye contact)[/b] [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/8829de04-af65-4fa5-a6fa-438103c7d6c8]My first attempt at a new meme-posting format on a new, specialised channel[/url] was made under the assumption that Mastodon users prefer explanations given to them on a silver platter, right in the post itself which also contains the image. I was told a while ago that external links are bad and inconvenient and probably not accessible, and it's better to explain everything myself.

I always have to explain the meme template, and especially in this case, I also had to explain the topic. So I ended up with nine explanations on four or five levels with some 25,000 characters altogether, more than half of which went into the two explanations for the topic.

I couldn't imagine that this was actually what people wanted, seeing as it was generally Mastodon users who seemed to want me to explain everything, but at the same time, it's Mastodon users who complain the most loudly about long posts. And so [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/aeb3fcf9-48d4-44c8-88e0-b70c2336a512]I ran a poll[/url] on how people [i]actually[/i] wanted meme posts to be explained. At least of the few who voted, nobody wanted explanations in the post if they end up tens of thousands of characters long.

Ever since, I've delegated the meme template explanations to KnowYourMeme which I link to.

As for the topic, [b](content warning: eye contact, guns)[/b] [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/400df1f5-1d25-45cd-bfa3-3b4093b9de8a]sometimes it needs no explanation[/url]. Sometimes ][b](content warning: eye contact, food)[/b] [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/1e9fa857-db59-4e22-bdaf-f05ff6b0c268]it can entirely be covered by links[/url]. Sometimes [b](content warning: eye contact)[/b] [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/572473d7-8087-4eb0-8dff-f44519a1c13e]I only need a short explanation[/url].

But in cases like [b](content warning: eye contact, swearing)[/b] [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/641bf10c-a56f-453e-a600-f1ae57a26a53]this[/url] or [b](content warning: eye contact, anger, crying, Japanese swearing)[/b] [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/ad44e605-618d-48ee-90ae-4bc15c6fa526]this[/url], I have to write extensive explanations, even if I can link to a whole lot of external information sources.

For my original images, renderings from very obscure 3-D virtual worlds, I do much more. I always write two image descriptions for each image.

One goes into the alt-text, and it's as long as I can make it within the 1500-character limit imposed by Mastodon, Misskey and their forks. And that's the short description that's mostly only there to satisfy the "every image must have alt-text, no matter what" fundamentalists.

There's also a long description in the post itself which is much, much more detailed. It also contains all necessary explanations which I have to write myself because I can't really rely on external links. And if there's any text anywhere within the borders of the image, legible or not, verbatim transcripts of all these bits of text go into the long description.

My most recent example, already on my new image-posting channel, but from four months ago, is [b](content warning: eye contact)[/b] [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/b6ae326a-c207-46dd-836b-6bc2b6a3509c]this[/url]. I've taken care to have as little scenery or surrounding or anything else in the pictures as possible, and still, I ended up with over 20,000 characters of image description. [url=https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/d67e641f-b1c2-46dd-9843-d1b88d362bb7]Here[/url] I explain why portraits are easier to describe.

A few examples with scenery, in chronological order, and much longer descriptions, and I consider them all outdated regardless: [b](content warning: eye contact, food)[/b] [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/8c2b4728-dda5-498b-9f84-2f11e163a4a5]this[/url], [b](content warning: eye contact)[/b] [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/c8a14063-b4e2-48fa-baf9-cb4faef7225b]this[/url] and [b](content warning: eye contact)[/b] [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7]this[/url].

The first two links also demonstrate how I used to describe pictures within a picture, even on three levels in the case of the second link. But if I had carried on doing this the same way for the image behind the third link, I would have had to describe over a hundred images in various locations on at least four levels. Besides, I would have described details that not only aren't visible in the image, but that aren't visible either in the place shown in the image. Also, this might have revealed eye contact or another trigger of sorts.

So I decided against describing things that cannot be seen in the shown place. This was the first time that I actually imposed a limitation on myself.

I could post many, many, many more scenery pictures, maybe even with [i]actual[/i] scenery and with many more details. But it would always take me [i]days[/i] to describe one of them. The last two image posts I've linked to required two days to write descriptions.

For example, [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/2cc2a459-97ce-4fbe-8aa2-86e367b5554e]I've been to a New Orleans-themed place[/url] a month ago. It would have made for a gorgeous picture report. But it would have taken me at least a week and a half to only describe the four images that Mastodon would let through. In fact, Mastodon would have rejected the post anyway because, with the massive image descriptions, it would have exceeded 100,000 characters by far.

If you're wondering why my descriptions of virtual world images have to be so long and so detailed, [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/95b6e36d-7fcd-4791-8cc1-c93e8b9975a3]I've written an article about that[/url].

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@[url=https://disabled.social/@raphaelmorgan]Morgan ⚧️[/url] ...

2024-12-06T23:44:04Z

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@[url=https://disabled.social/@raphaelmorgan]Morgan ⚧️[/url] It's probably for the best to do what I do anyway unless enough people come straight to me and complain about what I've done.

It may not be the best in terms of living accessibility, but it's the best for everyone's peace of mind, seeing as hardly anyone will see my image posts anyway.

For something that doesn't have an "active" ...

2024-12-06T22:21:33Z

For something that doesn't have an "active" maintainer, (streams) is cleaning up nicely.

Not only does it have [url=https://fediversity.site/help/guide/en/Content_Filters]filter documentation[/url] now...

...but [url=https://codeberg.org/streams/streams/src/branch/release/README.md]the new ReadMe in the streams repository[/url] is just plain [i]awesome[/i] now. ([url=https://codeberg.org/streams/streams/commit/8791018d416236f2fbc01e357a316325ed0385fa]Here[/url] is a permanent link to the version from three days ago, in case it changes again.)

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@[url=https://disabled.social/@raphaelmorgan]Morgan ⚧️[/url] ...

2024-12-06T22:01:03Z

In reply to nevent1q…gqkd
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@[url=https://disabled.social/@raphaelmorgan]Morgan ⚧️[/url] I've spent two full days describing one image.

I feel bad when I can't describe something in an image the way I'd like to see myself describe it.

I keep coming across scenes that I think might make for nice pictures. But then I start trying to describe them in my head. And when I discover something that I can't properly describe, I don't even take the picture. I couldn't post it anyway without a description that's up to my standards.

I refuse to post images with realistic-looking buildings in them due to how complex they are to describe. After all, I'd have to first research architectural terminology and then explain it to my readers in the long image description.

A bit over a year ago, while working on an image description which, the next day (!), would [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/8c2b4728-dda5-498b-9f84-2f11e163a4a5]end at over 38,000 characters[/url], I realised that I had to describe three pictures of stellar nebulae. I didn't even really know how. I was about to abandon the whole image-posting project due to this. What I've eventually written still feels like a sub-par kludge, not to mention outdated a few times over.

I've read about people going back and alt-texting their entire backlog of image posts. I've wondered a few times if it is or should be recommended to go back and edit and improve your old image descriptions after you've learned something new in terms of describing images.

What do you think, is this genuine or not?

And seriously, I don't even know whom exactly I'm doing all this for because I almost never get any feedback in any form. I do it for whoever comes across one of my image posts. Since my new channel for original images (which I do these monstrous descriptions for) has only got nine followers, and my channel for Fediverse memes (which at least tend to come with extensive explanations) has only seven, it has to be a very rare occurrence that someone who really needs an image description finds one of my image posts.

But I guess the ultimate solution is to forget about "[url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e506e18-13c5-4bfb-aea9-c626e96a619c]Nothing About Us Without Us[/url]" and do what I think is right until too many people come complaining. Which will probably amount to indefinitely.

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@[url=https://mastodon.online/@darrell73]Darrell Hilliker ...

2024-12-06T21:36:24Z

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@[url=https://mastodon.online/@darrell73]Darrell Hilliker 👨‍🦯♾️📡[/url] I think that's part of the issue, even if it's unavoidable: There's no one way to please everyone. And the more niche and special your content is, the harder it becomes to please as many disabled people as possible.

There's a saying: "[url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e506e18-13c5-4bfb-aea9-c626e96a619c]Nothing about us without us[/url]." Don't assume what disabled people may need. Ask them. Talk to them. Listen to them.

But I guess the attitude in the Fediverse is that everything is said, everything is defined, everything is set in stone, and it'll work in 100% of all cases. No need to talk about it. You're expected to know it. Just do it.

I mean, I could just carry on assuming, based on what I've read here and there, even if that's technically the wrong thing. I know that there are at least some people who enjoy what I do, for whom it may be helpful.

I could just go on doing that and improving that, for any definition of improving. I could go on until enough people complain to me that I'm doing it completely wrong, and that staggering level of detail is bad for magnitudes more people than it helps. But this is unlikely to happen, seeing as how little feedback I receive.

I mean, at the end of the day, I can't really know whom I describe my images for. Do blind or visually impaired users even come across my image posts, seeing as they come from two different channels than this one now? Do those come across my image posts who demand sanctions for everyone who doesn't describe their images sufficiently? Are my extensive image descriptions and explanations useful for anyone?

Still, I go on putting huge efforts into describing them for the random stranger who stumbles upon one of them on some federated timeline, regardless of whether they're visually-impaired, blessed with a terribly slow Internet connection or a fully sighted alt-text enforcer.

And I will most likely go on increasing my efforts where I can. I'm currently polishing my way of describing persons or rather avatars. After all, I can see the alt-text quality requirements in the Fediverse be constantly raised, too. I need to stay ahead of them.

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2024-12-06T21:09:40Z

[share author='Robert+Kingett' profile='https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter'; avatar='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/125e9acc-1e76-486d-9e34-3f3e20f9e43c-6'; link='https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter/113607848031668067'; auth='false' posted='2024-12-06 20:49:48' message_id='https://caneandable.social/users/WeirdWriter/statuses/113607848031668067';]Link at end. I'm unsure if [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland]@jupiter_rowland[/url] is on his own instance, but [url=https://caneandable.social/tags/Fediblock]#Fediblock[/url] for concerned trolling and ableist behavior by being patronizing to disabled people about alt text. I can't find others on his instance, but every, single time, the person posts the same question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, and expects disabled people to tell this person because you can't describe every thing in an image you don't have to do alt text. Or maybe my temper is just short today, but here's the question. This isn't genuine curiocity because he asks the, same, question, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. No answer is to his satisfaction. Nobdoy waste your time with this obnoxious troll. If it turns out I am lashing out of anger and have misjudged, will delete the post but [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940]https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940[/url][/share]

Apparently, accessibility is not about trying as hard as you can. ...

2024-12-06T21:06:19Z

Apparently, accessibility is not about trying as hard as you can. It has to be about trying exactly the right amount of hard without even knowing what the right amount is because the right amount is different for everyone.

For the record: I refuse to post any image without sufficient description. And "sufficient description" may mean two descriptions, a short (and still long) one in the alt-text, a massive one in the post. If I can't describe it properly, I don't post it. And I'm trying to up my game and add new tricks and new elements to my descriptions.

On the one hand, disabled people demand being involved in the topic of accessibility. Before you do something, consult with those whom you want to help. Don't just simply assume what they may need. Ask them. Discuss things with them. [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e506e18-13c5-4bfb-aea9-c626e96a619c]I've written an article on this topic.[/url]

On the other hand, apparently, asking too much will get you branded ableist, all the way to your home instance with over users being on the brink of a fediblock.

Here's a comment I've written on [url=https://wandering.shop/users/AlinaLeonova/statuses/113605362051803660]this poll thread[/url] by @[url=https://wandering.shop/@AlinaLeonova]Alina Leonova[/url]. I've directed it to a blind user whom I may have asked once too much.

[share author='Jupiter+Rowland' profile='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland'; avatar='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/profile/s/1035'; link='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/display/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940'; auth='true' posted='2024-12-06 14:59:44' message_id='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940';]@[url=https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter]Robert Kingett[/url] Honest question from an alt-text and image description perfectionist to a blind user: When is it actually accessible enough that whoever posts an image doesn't have to fear repercussions?

Okay, there has to be an alt-text. It has to actually describe the image. So much is clear to me.

And I guess that while at least some blind people in the Fediverse treasure whimsy higher than accuracy, others may want alt-text to be accurate.

But it looks to me like there is a rather narrow margin between alt-text with not enough details and alt-text that's too long and/or too detailed. This isn't communicated anywhere. It's unclear, too, whether that margin is always the same, or whether it shifts with the content of the image, the context and someone's individual idea of who the audience of an image post is.

And seriously, there are images that simply cannot be described in a way that's perfectly ideal and useful for absolutely everyone out there. I've posted such images in the past, and my image descriptions must have broken all length records in the Fediverse. But I think not everyone is happy about having to read through such monsters.

CC: @[url=https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan]Stefan Bohacek[/url] @[url=https://piaille.fr/@shtrom]Olivier Mehani[/url] @[url=https://wandering.shop/@AlinaLeonova]Alina Leonova[/url]

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Here is his reply in which he claims I'm an ableist who actually doesn't want to describe images. This is far from the truth.

[share author='Robert+Kingett' profile='https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter'; avatar='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/125e9acc-1e76-486d-9e34-3f3e20f9e43c-6'; link='https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter/113607604108734988'; auth='false' posted='2024-12-06 19:47:46' message_id='https://caneandable.social/users/WeirdWriter/statuses/113607604108734988';]You really don't think I remember you do you? You ask this question every single time in an attempt to badger users like me into getting away with *not* providing alt text because you wanna be ableist but try to pass it off as perfectionist. You will *never* please everybody, so to even try and to even is patronizing and ableist all by itself. I consider you to be nothing more than a troll. Look dude, if you don't wanna provide alt text then don't fucking provide it, but don't insult my intelligence with this obvious C lion tactic of I'm a perfectionist. I should have blocked you the first 900 times you asked this fucking obtuse/C lioning/ ableist / patronizing question. If you don't wanna provide alt text, just don't do it and never ask me this question again. [url=https://caneandable.social/tags/AltText]#AltText[/url] [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland]@jupiter_rowland[/url][/share]

Here is my reply.

[share author='Jupiter+Rowland' profile='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland'; avatar='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/profile/s/1035'; link='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/display/2b641086-2539-4dc3-b18e-6583b4a4f7d4'; auth='true' posted='2024-12-06 20:37:27' message_id='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/2b641086-2539-4dc3-b18e-6583b4a4f7d4';]@[url=https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter]Robert Kingett[/url] [quote]I should have blocked you the first 900 times you asked this fucking obtuse/C lioning/ ableist / patronizing question. If you don't wanna provide alt text, just don't do it and never ask me this question again.[/quote]
If I didn't care for accessibility, if I didn't want to describe my images, why would I want to satisfy everyone, all the way to random strangers who stumble upon my posts in some federated timeline? I shouldn't even want to satisfy anyone!

Why would I spend literal days, morning to evening, [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7]describing one image in all details[/url]? Twice per image?

Why would I refuse to even take pictures, let alone post them, if they'll be too difficult to describe in a way that I consider sufficient?

Why would I pick up any advice on how to describe certain things, like people or colours, and consider any of my image descriptions that don't have this incorporated hopelessly outdated?

Why would I transcribe text that's too small for sighted people to read, just because all text in an image has to be described? Why would I feel bad about text that I couldn't transcribe and then try to find a source for that piece of text? And yes, I do.

Why would I be literally the only one in the entire Fediverse who tries to tell people that and why explanations don't go into the alt-text because people with certain disabilities can't access alt-text, and any information that's only available in alt-text is lost to them?

And why would I warn sensitive people about eyes or food that's in the image on a microscopic sub-pixel level if I didn't care? And yes, I actually did that. [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/c8a14063-b4e2-48fa-baf9-cb4faef7225b]In my post with my second-longest image description[/url].

Just because I don't just simply shut up and describe my images exactly on point like you personally want them described, doesn't justify insulting me as an ableist.

CC: @[url=https://wandering.shop/@AlinaLeonova]Alina Leonova[/url]

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In the meantime, he wrote and sent this post in which he called for a fediblock of either my channel or the entirety of hub.netzgemeinde.eu, the biggest Hubzilla instance.

[share author='Robert+Kingett' profile='https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter'; avatar='https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/125e9acc-1e76-486d-9e34-3f3e20f9e43c-6'; link='https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter/113607848031668067'; auth='false' posted='2024-12-06 20:49:48' message_id='https://caneandable.social/users/WeirdWriter/statuses/113607848031668067';]Link at end. I'm unsure if [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland]@jupiter_rowland[/url] is on his own instance, but [url=https://caneandable.social/tags/Fediblock]#Fediblock[/url] for concerned trolling and ableist behavior by being patronizing to disabled people about alt text. I can't find others on his instance, but every, single time, the person posts the same question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, and expects disabled people to tell this person because you can't describe every thing in an image you don't have to do alt text. Or maybe my temper is just short today, but here's the question. This isn't genuine curiocity because he asks the, same, question, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. No answer is to his satisfaction. Nobdoy waste your time with this obnoxious troll. If it turns out I am lashing out of anger and have misjudged, will delete the post but [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940]https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940[/url][/share]

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@[url=https://skol.social/@rob]Rob[/url] And that's why ...

2024-12-06T20:38:55Z

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@[url=https://skol.social/@rob]Rob[/url] And that's why I'm answering.

@[url=https://no-pony.farm/@Life_is]C.Suthorn :prn:[/url] ...

2024-12-06T17:01:44Z

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@[url=https://no-pony.farm/@Life_is]C.Suthorn :prn:[/url] [quote]And note: this toot has more than 500 characters, but comes from mastodon (as you can see), in case you didn't know that toots on mastodon can have more than 500 characters.[/quote]
I know that. But I also know that not exactly few Mastodon users completely freak out when they see something longer than 500 characters.

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@[url=https://skol.social/@rob]Rob[/url] [quote]Sometimes it’s ...

2024-12-06T16:59:35Z

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@[url=https://skol.social/@rob]Rob[/url] [quote]Sometimes it’s really difficult on Mastodon to follow a thread. Are you saying Hubzilla does that better?[/quote]
Yes, because by default, Hubzilla always displays entire threads at once. Start post on top, [s]replies[/s] comments neatly listed below in chronological order. Just like Facebook does. Just like Tumblr does. Just like a blog does. Just like a forum does. Only that if there are more than three comments, Hubzilla only shows the most recent three until you roll out the whole thread.

The Mastodon piecemeal way of making each reply into its own post and showing them one by one as separate items is optionally available, but I've got my doubts that anyone has actually ever used that feature.

I'd show screenshots, but I don't have enough time to adequately describe them.

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@[url=https://skol.social/@rob]Rob[/url] On Mastodon, a thread is ...

2024-12-06T16:39:51Z

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@[url=https://skol.social/@rob]Rob[/url] On Mastodon, a thread is loosely tied together from posts and more posts. You, as a user, get them one by one. And you only get posts into your timeline
[list][*]from those whom you follow
[*]if you're mentioned
[*]if someone whom you follow boosts them[/list]

Here on Hubzilla, and actually in the whole family from Friendica to Forte, it's vastly different. Here, a conversation is an enclosed object. A thread, [i]any[/i] thread, has exactly one post. That's the start post. Everything else is not a post, it's a [i]comment[/i].

This also means that Friendica, Hubzilla & Co. don't serve you single activities like Mastodon serves you single posts. Threads aren't piecemeal here. Threads come in one piece.

Instead, when you have a post (remember the distinction, "post" only means start post, as in something that isn't a reply to anything else) in your feed/timeline/stream, you also receive all comments on that post. Still under the same post and not as separate activities, not by default anyway.

It's like on Facebook or a blog or in a forum. After all, Friendica, the oldest member of the family, was created as an alternative to Facebook more than five years before Mastodon was made.

There's another big difference between Mastodon on the one side and Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte on the other side: The latter four have an unread activities counter and an unread activities list. Mastodon doesn't have either. Mastodon doesn't even have a concept of unread.

On Mastodon, you go to your timeline, and you scroll down until you either hit something that you know you've already read, or you don't have any time anymore, or you don't want anymore. What you don't scroll down to, you will never know you've ever received it.

Here on Hubzilla, I have a counter of unread activities at the top of the the right-hand sidebar. It includes
[list][*]unread posts on my stream
[*]unread comments on something I have on my stream
[*]unread edits something I have on my stream
[*]unnoticed reposts/boosts/renotes/repeats of something I have on my stream
[*]unnoticed likes/dislikes for something I have on my stream (in theory; I've turned this off)[/list]
The counter stops at 99, though. If it's 100 or more, the counter shows "99+".

If I open the counter, I get a list of all unread/unnoticed activities. I can apply a filter that only shows me new posts with one click. It's only a list, though; it's not the actual activities like in a Mastodon timeline. It only lists up all these activities so I can load them manually.

So what I usually do first is apply the posts-only filter. Then I scroll down to the oldest item on the list. I click it. In the middle (we were in the right-hand sidebar until now), the post with that activity is shown, complete with all comments known to my stream, like a post on Facebook or a blog post with its comments neatly listed right below.

Now, let's suppose this post came with 68 comments and 11 repeats (that's "boosts" in Mastodonese). That's one unread post, 68 unread comments, 11 unnoticed repeats, all loaded and read/noticed in one fell swoop. The unread activites counter goes down by 1+68+11=80 items.

And then I go on with the next new post.

Once I'm through the new posts, I turn the filter off again, and the unread activities list shows me everything that isn't a new post.

I scroll down again. I click on the bottom-most item. Whatever it is, it loads an entire thread with a post and, if there are any, its comments. And whatever was in this thread that I hadn't paid attention to yet is flagged read and removed from the unread activities list, and the counter goes down by that number again.

Now, my situation as described in the post (again, posts vs comments from a Hubzilla point of view) is that the official Mastodon account or Eugen Rochko or some Mastodon devs (intentionally not mentioning either) tend to post stuff which is then boosted by @[url=https://mastodon.social/@fediversereport]Fediverse Report[/url], and which may receive well over 100 replies.

Now let's suppose Eugen Rochko posts something, and Fediverse Report boosts it, and it gets 280 replies. Let's also suppose I only follow Fediverse Report.

On Mastodon, I'd only receive Eugen's post in my timeline. That's it. Unless, of course, someone mentions me in one of the replies, or someone decides to boost one of the replies to me. Then I also receive that one reply. Separately.

Here on Hubzilla, I receive Eugen's post and all 280 replies in my stream. That's 281 unread activities, and that doesn't even include boosts and edits. That's at least 281 pieces of uninteresting clutter on my unread activities list. Granted, when I click one of them, the whole thread loads, and 281 pieces of uninteresting clutter are marked read and removed from the list, and the unread activities counter goes down by 281. And I no longer have to wade through all that clutter to find the actually interesting content.

But I don't necessarily want to see that gunk. I don't want to click it.

And so I've Superblocked the official Mastodon account and the official Mastodon Development account and Eugen Rochko and some devs. In fact, I've also Superblocked a few more Mastodon users who tend to attract replies like lamps attract moths, just in case someone whom I've given permission to send me their boosts (yes, I can disallow that for individual contacts) boosts something from one of them.

Now I don't receive the actual content anymore. But if someone boosts something from someone Superblocked to me, it still shows up on the unread activities counter. It and all replies to it. If Eugen Rochko (Superblocked) posts something, Fediverse Report (not Superblocked, allowed to send me boosts) boosts it, and it gets 280 replies, that's still 281 unread items on the list.

The catch: Since Eugen Rochko's post is blocked, so is the whole thread. I can't load his post, and I can't load any of the replies either because loading any reply would require loading the post. Remember that replies aren't piecemeal here on Hubzilla, unlike on Mastodon.

And if I can't load them, I can't have them marked read the natural way. Mind you, I do have a "Mark everything read" button. The only way to mark that stuff read. But if I used it, I'd also mark the [i]interesting[/i] unread stuff read.

So I have to scroll through a list of hundreds of unread replies to Eugen Rochko's post and boosts of such replies and whatnot to find the halfway interesting stuff, pick it out, click it, load it, read it, interact with it etc. Then more scrolling until I find something interesting again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Only when everything on the list of unread activities is from threads starting with blocked posts, I can click "Mark everything read".

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@[url=https://no-pony.farm/@Life_is]C.Suthorn :prn:[/url] Neither ...

2024-12-06T15:06:33Z

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@[url=https://no-pony.farm/@Life_is]C.Suthorn :prn:[/url] Neither is this about DMs (it's about posts from the Mastodon team (almost all of whom I've superblocked) boosted to me by Fediverse Report (which I haven't blocked)).

Nor am I using Mastodon (click my name and look at my profile; if that doesn't convince you, [url=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/profile/jupiter_rowland]look at the original of my profile[/url]; also, Mastodon can't create embedded links).

Nor does Hubzilla (where I am) support any proprietary Mastodon APIs, nor are the devs willing to add support for any proprietary, non-standard Mastodon stuff. Which is actually good.

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@[url=https://foggyminds.com/profile/shiri]Shiri Bailem[/url] ...

2024-12-06T15:03:37Z

In reply to nevent1q…gkmc
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@[url=https://foggyminds.com/profile/shiri]Shiri Bailem[/url] It's perfectly normal on Hubzilla as well as (streams) and Forte to have unread comments listed as unread activities.

The issue is rather that if I've Superblocked an account, and an unblocked account boosts a post from that Superblocked account to me, that post, as well as all comments, shows up on my unread activities list. I can't open it because the original author is Superblocked, but it's still listed.

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Wondering whether I should un-Superblock the various official ...

2024-12-06T14:17:02Z

Wondering whether I should un-Superblock the various official Mastodon accounts. I've blocked them to unclutter my stream and free it from content that I'm not interested in. Still, since their posts come to me as boosts, they end up on my list of unread activities. And so do all comments from after the posts were boosted to me. These posts often have well over 100 comments. And here on Hubzilla, when I receive a post, and that post is being commented on 150 times, this doesn't count as one unread activity. It counts as 151 unread activities. That's two features that Hubzilla has but Mastodon doesn't at once.

I mean, when something from these accounts is being boosted to me, I get a notification for the post and then 100+ notifications for comments either way, regardless of whether they're Superblocked or not. And when I scroll through those notifications of content that I can't access because it's Superblocked, I have to pick out the few notifications in-between about activities from connection that I haven't Superblocked.

I might just as well un-Superblock them. Okay, then I might be tempted to see that propaganda that at least implies Mastodon is either the best there is in the Fediverse or [i]the[/i] Fediverse. Not to mention the masses of comments from 99.9% Mastodon users, most of whom think the Fediverse is only Mastodon, most of the rest of whom think there's nothing better in the Fediverse than Mastodon, and [i]none[/i] of whom has read even one other comment in the thread because Mastodon has no concept of conversations.

And I might be tempted to comment on 40 comments which essentially say the same because nobody on Mastodon ever reads other people's comments (because nobody [i]receives[/i] them in the first place), and which are based on the assumption of there not being much/anything else in the Fediverse except Mastodon.

I might end up being blocked by another few dozen Mastodon users for whom my comment was the very first activity they've received from outside vanilla Mastodon, the very first one with over 500 characters, maybe the first one with text formatting, not to mention the freakish-looking long-name mentions (no, I can't turn them off, they're hard-coded, and they've been since some four years before Mastodon was launched).

I might even end up in another dispute between "the usual suspects" from Calckey, Akkoma, Friendica etc. on the one side and fundamentalists who want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon on the other side.

But at least I can mark over 100 comments read in one fell swoop by actually loading them.

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Now I'm wondering. From a Mastodon-centric point of view, are ...

2024-11-30T21:07:44Z

@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel ...

2024-11-29T16:17:21Z

In reply to nevent1q…fuh3
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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic[/url] AFAIK, it does insofar as I can forward Mastodon toots to diaspora*. Probably.

But diaspora* can't directly forward Mastodon toots because diaspora* can't directly [i]receive[/i] them. And it has been so long that I've left diaspora* that I don't know if diaspora* has something like a "retweet" feature. After all, neither has Facebook which diaspora* aimed to replace.

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Hubzilla can give Fediverse content more reach. The same applies ...

2024-11-29T00:15:43Z

Hubzilla can give Fediverse content more reach. The same applies to (streams), it will apply to Forte, and I guess it applies to Friendica as well.

You just need a whole bunch of connections, and you need to come across Fediverse content in irregular ways, e.g. by receiving posts with links to other posts or subscribing to a hashtag RSS feed on mastodon.social (the latter doesn't work on (streams) and Forte).

If you discover a post that needs more feedback (or [i]any[/i] feedback in the first place), especially from the kind of people whom you're connected to, just copy its URL and then search for it. This way, you manually import it onto your stream.

Once you see it, repeat it.

If you've got enough reach yourself, you can now watch that post be repeated/boosted/renoted/reposted and ideally also commented on.

It's with this trick that I've actually helped @[url=https://mastodon.social/@_elena]Elena Rossini ⁂[/url] join Friendica.

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No-brainer ease-of-use for dumb-dumbs. Perfect safety and ...

2024-11-26T22:58:50Z

No-brainer ease-of-use for dumb-dumbs.
Perfect safety and security.

Pick one. You can't have both.

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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel ...

2024-11-25T21:19:51Z

In reply to nevent1q…jvs6
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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic[/url] [quote]Oh, I never noticed the color changing in your channel.[/quote]
It doesn't switch automatically, although that'd be a nice feature.

At least I can switch it manually in the burger menu, and I can specify whether day or night mode is the default.

@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel ...

2024-11-25T21:04:33Z

In reply to nevent1q…fctk
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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic[/url] Come to think of it, way back in the olden days, Friendica had themes that tried to mimic diaspora*, Facebook and both.

In the meantime, as the name indicates, Redbasic is stuck in 2012. Although I love how customisable it has become with Hubzilla 9. The colour scheme on my channel is set up to match the background image in both day and night mode.

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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel ...

2024-11-25T16:44:13Z

In reply to nevent1q…26w5
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@[url=https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel]Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic[/url] [quote]I still wonder how people coming from Facebook are not able to find out about Friendica, Hubzilla and co, as their experience with Mastodon must be very unsatisfactory. But then again, most people have no media competence whatsoever.[/quote]
Well, for one, Friendica and its descendants have never gone viral. It doesn't help that everything in the family prior to (streams) was made under the assumption of "if you build it, they will come". And especially Friendica was made in an era when phone apps were gimmicks rather than absolute necessities.

Hubzilla lived on Friendica converts most of the time because Friendica was just about the only place where Hubzilla was known at all. I guess most people who jumped ships from Friendica to Hubzilla did it for even more features they might need. This is also why nothing post-Hubzilla really took off: It was mostly known on Hubzilla, but just about all that Hubzilla users knew about it was that it had [i]fewer[/i] features than Hubzilla. And people either didn't know or didn't care what was improved in comparison with Hubzilla.

Besides, nobody on Facebook expects there to be a free, decentralised Facebook alternative. And if they don't expect it, they don't Google for it, and they don't stumble upon it. If someone invites them to Mastodon, it's usually either a huge surprise that a free, decentralised alternative to [i]anything[/i] exists, or they don't notice that Mastodon is free and/or decentralised.

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