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Original date posted:2015-10-06
đ Original message:I think I can solve the debate and give everyone what they want.
Some people want BIP65, others do not.
We can roll out 65 in a clever way, such that Greg/PeterT can get it, but
Mike and Peter R don't need to have it (both versions can run alongside
each other). Even better, people can switch back and forth between versions
as much as they like.
How might this work? Well, paradoxically, we could do this by *imposing
additional constraints* on transaction validation, such that transactions
made a very specific certain way will always look valid to non-CLTVers, but
for CLTVers they will not be valid unless the CLTV rules are followed. The
obvious concern is that non-CLTV people might receive invalid payments.
However, their software is already set up to request payments in a non-CLTV
way, so, luckily, this is actually not a problem at all! SPV clients can
elect to only connect to nodes which are non-CLTV.
Problem solved!
I am happy to have solved this problem for you all, and ended this discord
harmoniously. If we all put our heads together, these words of founding
father Aretha Franklin will ring true: "there's nothing we can't overcome".
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Marcel Jamin via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> This is childish and very disappointing to see.
>
> 2015-10-06 9:20 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
>
>> I prefer the term "clown".
>>
>> Can we please move on?
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev" <
>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>> To: milly at bitcoins.info
>> Cc: bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> Sent: 10/6/2015 12:17:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork
>> technical debate
>>
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 at 8:21 PM
>>>> From: "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev" <
>>>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>>>> To: bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork
>>>> technical debate
>>>> On 10/5/2015 4:05 PM, Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty clear Mike has turned into concern troll and bully.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> "troll" and, even worse, "concern troll" are terms generally used by
>>>> teenagers on places like Reddit to complain about someone who doesn't
>>>> agree with them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They should substitute troll for cultist so they appear more
>>> professional...
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Original date posted:2015-10-06\nđ Original message:I think I can solve the debate and give everyone what they want.\n\nSome people want BIP65, others do not.\n\nWe can roll out 65 in a clever way, such that Greg/PeterT can get it, but\nMike and Peter R don't need to have it (both versions can run alongside\neach other). Even better, people can switch back and forth between versions\nas much as they like.\n\nHow might this work? Well, paradoxically, we could do this by *imposing\nadditional constraints* on transaction validation, such that transactions\nmade a very specific certain way will always look valid to non-CLTVers, but\nfor CLTVers they will not be valid unless the CLTV rules are followed. The\nobvious concern is that non-CLTV people might receive invalid payments.\nHowever, their software is already set up to request payments in a non-CLTV\nway, so, luckily, this is actually not a problem at all! SPV clients can\nelect to only connect to nodes which are non-CLTV.\n\nProblem solved!\n\nI am happy to have solved this problem for you all, and ended this discord\nharmoniously. If we all put our heads together, these words of founding\nfather Aretha Franklin will ring true: \"there's nothing we can't overcome\".\n\n\nOn Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Marcel Jamin via bitcoin-dev \u003c\nbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\n\u003e This is childish and very disappointing to see.\n\u003e\n\u003e 2015-10-06 9:20 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev \u003c\n\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e:\n\u003e\n\u003e\u003e I prefer the term \"clown\".\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Can we please move on?\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e ------ Original Message ------\n\u003e\u003e From: \"cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev\" \u003c\n\u003e\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e\n\u003e\u003e To: milly at bitcoins.info\n\u003e\u003e Cc: bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e\u003e Sent: 10/6/2015 12:17:14 AM\n\u003e\u003e Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork\n\u003e\u003e technical debate\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 at 8:21 PM\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e From: \"Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev\" \u003c\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e To: bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e technical debate\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e On 10/5/2015 4:05 PM, Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev wrote:\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e It's pretty clear Mike has turned into concern troll and bully.\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e \"troll\" and, even worse, \"concern troll\" are terms generally used by\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e teenagers on places like Reddit to complain about someone who doesn't\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e agree with them.\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e They should substitute troll for cultist so they appear more\n\u003e\u003e\u003e professional...\n\u003e\u003e\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e\u003e\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e\u003e\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e\u003e\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\u003e\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\u003e\n\u003e\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: \u003chttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20151006/7173bb2e/attachment.html\u003e",
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