# The Empire Strikes Back
Concerning the Star Wars analogy:
>I gave the illustration, to try to show how one might harmonize both realities. Surely you can see that.
I do, and I would use that example as a means to steelman my understanding of your position. Unfortunately, there isn't a biblical example. That would be a greater evidence.
The closest example from the Bible like this is the murder of Uriah. David doesn't actually murder him but he does issue a secret decree.
>**2 Samuel 11:15** *In the letter he wrote, “Set Uriah in the forefront of the hardest fighting, and then draw back from him, that he may be struck down, and die.”*
And despite the fact that neither David, nor his agents struck the deathblow David is still guilty of Uriah's murder. Secondary causes did not eliminate David's guilt.
>"**2 Samuel 12:9** *Why have you despised the word of the LORD, to do what is evil in his sight?* ***You have struck down Uriah*** *the Hittite with the sword and have taken his wife to be your wife and have killed him* ***with the sword of the Ammonites.***
>The evidence is the scripture passage. I believe man is morally accountable, but that in another sense man, like in Romans 9, can be described as a pot prepared for destruction.
I'm sure you do believe that, but my question was about a text in the Book of Joshua, and what he believed.
Did Joshua believe that these Hebrew Israelites had the freedom to choose when he said, "... choose this day whom you will serve..." or was he just acting out the part written for him in eternity?
>It's almost as if the freedom of the Creator is on an infinitely greater level than the freedom of the creation, however, real that freedom is.
"It's almost as if..." doesn't seem like the result of solid Hermeneutics, but rather a wobbly conjecture from leaning on one's own understanding regarding a rhetorical question asked 100s of years later in an entirely different context.
>I don't know you.
And I don't know you, and it's still nice to dialog with someone sincere.
>I know open theism is bad juju.
Who told you that? Why do you think so?
>I do pray that you are as committed to Scripture as you say, and you'll land in a good place.
Very nice. You are in my prayers as well.
Amen
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