📅 Original date posted:2018-12-01
📝 Original message:I liked the cheekiness of your summary, Adam ;)
I'm not sure why this needs to be a BIP. It is a UX detail--not really
related to bitcoin protocol or procedures. I wouldn't even call it a
description of best practices, since every product's use case is going to
be different.
If you think there is a compelling reason for why this needs to be a
documented standard, please elaborate!
Thanks,
James
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:41 PM Adam Ficsor via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Thank you for all your comments. To sum up:
>
> - There were no comments related to the implementation details.
> - There are concerns about this may incentivize users to use copypaste
> functionality extensively.
> - A counter argument was made that crypto hijackers use the clipboard,
> because that is the most convenient thing to hijack, not because they can
> only hijack that and, if Bitcoin users would move to other ways of
> specifying destinations, that may end up being just as an issue, too.
> - The rest of the conversation was about crypto hijackers, which I think
> is off topic in this thread.
>
> Finally I'd like to note, there's already a work in progress
> implementation in Wasabi:
> https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/pull/825
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 1:14 AM Dmitry Petukhov via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> > > Do you know any reasonably convenient mechanism for end user to
>> > > transfer an address from, say, a web page to the wallet address
>> > > input field ?
>> >
>> > - QR code scanning of a Bitcoin URI
>> > - On Android: A "bitcoin:" URI intent or a BIP70 payment message
>> > intent
>> > - On desktop OSes there are similar mechanisms to launch Apps from the
>> > browser (e.g. for mailto: links)
>>
>> This works if the author of the web page thought about this, and
>> created appropriate liks/qr codes. In many cases, addresses are
>> just presented for users as text, to copy.
>>
>> People also send addresses in message apps and emails. Maybe if
>> applications start to autodetect bitcoin addresses and convert them to
>> bitcoin: links, there will be less need to copy-paste. But I suspect
>> that this feature will not be quickly adopted by applications.
>>
>> > For cases where the payee is a well-known entity the BIP70 payment
>> > protocol has authentication via certificates. That doesn't work for
>> > the "the person in front of you is the only trust anchor you have"
>> > usecase though.
>>
>> There are also BIP75 and BIP47 that may help, but the number of wallets
>> that support these protocols is small (I think in part because of
>> relative complexity of these protocols).
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>
>
> --
> Best,
> Ádám
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