đź“… Original date posted:2021-12-06
đź“ť Original message:
As far as I understand it, RGB doesn't scale NFTs as each
transaction to transfer ownership of an NFT would require an onchain
transaction
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 3:44 PM Martin Habovštiak via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> I recommend you researching RGB: https://rgb-org.github.io/
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, 11:21 Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm not a bitcoin developer.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, 5:05 AM Héctor José Cárdenas Pacheco via bitcoin-dev
>> <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I’ve been thinking about how OP_RETURN is being used to create and trade
>>> NFTs on Bitcoin (think RarePepes, SoG and other new ones) and was wondering
>>> if it’s possible to
>>>
>>
>> Do you have a link to any of these protocols?
>>
>> make transactions with this opcode via Lightning.
>>>
>>> More specific questions could be:
>>>
>>> 1. Can opcodes like OP_RETURN be inside a channel’s opening or
>>> closing transaction?
>>> 2. If so, could that OP_RETURN change hands within that channel or
>>> network of channels?
>>>
>>> OP_RETURNs do not have ownership according to the bitcoin network. It
>> is not hard to define a protocol that associates an OP_RETURN with
>> ownership, and ownership could then be transferred via lightning by sending
>> associated currency via lightning. Robustness improvements seem possible.
>>
>>
>>> 1. If possible, could the OP_RETURN be divisible? Could one person
>>> send a piece of a OP_RETURN just like one can do right now on the primary
>>> ledger or would it need to maintain the OP_RETURN code intact?
>>>
>>> OP_RETURNs themselves do not have ownership, but you can define a
>> protocol that gives them divisible ownership, including via lightning.
>>
>> I’m assuming that, if possible, this would need a protocol layer parallel
>>> to Bitcoin/Lightning that stores and reads all Bitcoin transactions and the
>>> ones which involve the node's channels as well as the ones with the
>>> OP_RETURN, just like CounterParty does right now with the primary ledger.
>>>
>>> Thank in advance.
>>> ——
>>>
>>> *Héctor Cárdenas*@hcarpach
>>>
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>>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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