The actions of Israel are certainly horrible. I believe that everyone in Israel thinks this is true, including the leaders and the military. War is horror. But I ask you, what other choice do they have?
A cease fire was in effect on 10-7. It was broken by Hamas. If Hamas can break a cease fire at any time then the term "cease fire" only applies to Isreal. If Isreal agrees to a cease file then Hamas will simply regroup and, as they have promised, commit more and more 10-7 atrocities. Does anyone doubt that?
Are there moral positions that are dependent upon history? Yes, because injustice is immoral. But there are actions that are so severe that justice is impossible and irrelevant. There is no just punishment for roasting babies alive. There is no just punishment for shooting up a dance concert. In such cases justice becomes irrelevant, and the only course of action is permanent prevention.
Existential threats require existential responses. The 10-7 atrocities were an existential action. Israel could not survive as a nation if it allowed such actions to continue. The only rational response, therefore, is the elimination of the actors: Hamas.
From: mikedilger at 11/04 20:02
> On which point do you wish to change my mind? I see the horrors committed by Israel and I post about this topic in support of International efforts for a cease fire
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