pippellia
Pip the social graph guy
I demystify the social graph so you can learn faster and use this powerful tool more effectively.
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npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup Profile Code
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2024-06-29T08:48:46+02:00 Event JSON
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Last Notes npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia not a shitcoin, it's really fun, perhaps even more fun than regular chess because it avoid opening theory that kinda ruined chess npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia chess is an amazing sport. Wen bitcoiners chess tournament? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I disagree. I think it's called great men of history theory or smth, and I think it has merits. The idea that a single human is capable of altering the course of history is supported by examples like Alexander the Great, Cesar, Napoleon, Hitler. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I don't understand this part npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia so nerd :p npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia what I mean is: npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia yeah, but I am not that pessimistic. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia yep, it doesn't. Maybe, just maybe, that's a feature. U know, invite-only socials have a sense of exclusivity. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia cc @npub149p…722q I am spreading your idea of communities as entry points. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia PoW endorsements can be computed by specialized miners, because who computes them isn't important. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia not only in that case, but also when we are talking about a new user that doesn't follow anyone. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Creating an identity on nostr is basically free. So imagine an attacker creates a whole new network of nibs following each other, exactly replicating the structure of the real network of npubs, same structure. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia It's difficult to game it tough. An attacker can pay a miner 10$ to get his PoW checkmark, however, unless he's followed or interact with many other real an trusted people, he'll lose that initial weight in algos like Trustrank. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I think there is value here, when it comes to products or restaurants. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia yes. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I think Mallory is always the enemy, spooks are enemies so that's Eve. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Yeah, in some situations Dave is the bad guy, but u are right that more generally it's Eve npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Dave, being the real bad guy, is free to this day. There is a lesson here npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia and parties are superior npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia If you want a global namespace, then you'll have name squatting and all the problems that come with it. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia cc @nprofile…pyug npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I see. Don't you think devs are judged by the code they write in a similar fashion? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I get that rewards are fewer, but why stakes are higher? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia What if I take an ASIC, make it mine, and people can pay 10$ to me to have these PoW keys or even better these PoW endorsements (so you can use the same old key), in order to get a "golden badge" displayed next to their name on clients, as a form of anti-impersonation. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia okay, so just for fun. I thought you did it as an anti-impersonation mechanism npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia oh, thanks for sharing this interesting story, and sharing the code I used. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia genuine question: npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I agree paying a relay solves the problem of spam for that relay, but that's not necessarely applicable to every service. Some services aren't directly monetizable (not because it's impossible, but because people won't pay for that), and thus another spam prevention mechanism must be used. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia > turning elliptic curve signatures into a new inflating monetary asset npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia > That sounds like Damus leaving sats on the table. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia thanks for the zap mate. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia wo wo calm down cowboi lmao. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia yes, they would, but not every service is *directly* monetizable. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia more generally, you can use someone else's curation as your own only to the extent you trust the curator. PoW has the benefits you don't have to trust anyone, which is I argue an important property if you take the PoV of service providers like relay operators. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia yes, and in some contexts this is another tool in the wot toolbox. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Generally agree. My take on how I use it quite effectively with my work: npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia all of the things you mentioned requires time and social interaction, which defeats the purpose of having a disposable key that you can use only once and then throw away. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia lol npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Pineapple on pizza is disgusting. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia +1 on this question npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia well, if you are a customer, you can and should ask for features you need. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia which action? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Interesting take, thanks for sharing it, I didn't know it before npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I've watched the Fedi annoucement video and it's cool and well made and inspiring. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia why did you copy plan B tweet? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Ops, I re-read it. PoW keys / endorsements solve the reputation part I believe npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia not unless you are absolutely sure that the sender and recipient aren't colluding or aren't the same entity npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia what do mean exactly with reputation? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I do, master Yoda npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia not I, but you* npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia why wife is happy when I down? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia look at thaaaat! fuck me I misused mine cards and now they are all ripped off :c npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia It's like using a tank to move a piece of furniture in your living room npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Blockchain to solve spam? Sounds stupid npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia yes, go for the nip npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I've not experienced it fortunately. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia and some of these metric can be improved with training, so are we going to create a category for those that don't train? lmao npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia #nevent1q…ja3e npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia great idea, why using common sense when there is *clearly* a way to measure the impact of every body measure like: npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I did the same yesterday, trying to make a printer work again for my dad. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Yes, this is a useful function that you can delegate to your social graph. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia hey, would you like to beta test some recommendation systems? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Fuck, that must have been shit. Sorry for u dude. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Nostr and TBD's Web5 have a lot in common. Loosely speaking, DIDs are like npubs and DWN nodes are like Relays. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Absolutely beautiful 😍 npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia fixed. Thanks again npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia THIS IS NEAT. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia @npub1nxa…a6q8 you can use this for speeding up the Pagerank computations your DVM npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I think it's important to realise that "there is no global". The signal from a stranger on the internet that you don't know (either directly or indirectly) must be zero, because if it's non-zero, than billions of these can fake every ranking. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia > Self donations would be tough in that frame since I would need a large number of wallets/npubs under my control- or am I naive in thinking this isn’t easy? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia @npub1h0u…rwx8 you guys are really thoughtful and fucking focused 🔥 npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I think it's more reasonable to constrain the set of people your feed considers for Zaps. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia p.s. I would have shared this natively on Nostr but there is too much Latex and it would have been unreadable npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia If you liked this 🧵 follow me, retweet, share. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Turns out, you can save up to 96% of the work and get the same result! npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia This sounds simple, and it is actually, but it doesn't scale. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia The solution? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia We know this is no longer true. We live in the post-truth world now. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Some of you may think that a link or a follow is low signal. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia But Pagerank is not just for the web, it can be very useful for any kind of graph, including the Nostr graph. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia This is called a Random Walk, and the Pagerank of a page represents the probability that the surfer will stop at that page. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Imagine a person randomly surfing the Web. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia First of all, what is Pagerank? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Nostr can't win without solving spam, discovery and trust. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia No idea how I missed this comment, sorry @npub179e…lz4s npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I had a similar argument to a dude saying we "need to explain users about Relays and how Nostr works". npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Same country, same situation. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia add zapstore and you are ready to go npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia an Italian just died (me) npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Congrats mate, totally deserved! npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia +1 npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I've been recently interested in applying known algorithms in new "post-truth" contexts. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia I am sorry mate, it must be a nightmare. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia this is extremely cool. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia If you don't know the mint, npub or any other entity really, either directly or indirectly (social graph), we have to assume it's not trustworthy. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE BEST UX npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia Yes. Both are protocols, both started fairly decentralised. npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia why? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia does your mom knows how email works? npub176p7sup477k5738qhxx0hk2n0cty2k5je5uvalzvkvwmw4tltmeqw7vgup pippellia yes, the design space is vast for social graph stuff.
