SaberhagenTheNameless
Saberhagen The Nameless

Tudo o que faz é dizer disparates e fazer afirmações. Não apresenta quaisquer argumentos ou factos. Tenho a certeza que sabes muito pouco sobre o Monero, ou qualquer outra criptomoeda, em termos técnicos. Como o facto de ter quase a mesma quantidade de nós que o Bitcoin em todo o mundo.
Não passa de um papagaio.
https://monero.fail/map

2024-09-13 01:46:20

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Parece que não me lembro de uma secção de “investimento” em qualquer parte do livro branco da Bitcoins 🤔

2024-09-09 12:01:12

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Bisq or Haveno.
Or swap from another crypto using something like Trocador.
https://bisq.network/
https://haveno-reto.com/
https://trocador.app/

2024-09-09 10:11:01

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No problem
As for the ATM cams you can get some anonymity by wearing a hat, sunglasses, and even a face mask (not as weird to do anymore thanks to the pandemic). Maybe even a full balaclava or ski mask in the winter 😂
I also like the idea of selling stuff or working for it directly if you can

2024-09-08 11:13:01

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That's what I got out of it too.
Don't use centralized exchanges either!
Not even Monero can protect your privacy from anything that happens external to it's blockchain.

2024-09-08 10:25:34

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"There is a possibility with the setup of relays you could have communities who can't / don't want to be found. I suppose this is unknown"
Interesting, didn't think about this possibility

2024-09-08 10:21:59

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"might be the user"
"no strong indications"
"I don't feel confident"
"we have to keep in mind that's just one possibility...we do not know with any certainty..."
"not many bread crumbs to follow"
Totally traced

2024-09-08 10:16:53

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Seems like you didn't even watch the video
"might be the user"
"no strong indications"
"I don't feel confident"
"we have to keep in mind that's just one possibility...we do not know with any certainty..."
"not many bread crumbs to follow"

2024-09-08 10:11:04

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Liquid has virtually zero anonymity set and doesn't hide sender or receiver

2024-09-08 10:01:42

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Depends what country you're in and what you mean by "best" (cheap/quick? most trustless?), but here are a few more options
With fiat: Bisq, Haveno-reto, Robosats
With crypto: Trocador, BasicswapDEX, UnstoppableSwap
Also:
note19ylte2km8c3lz94l422hfssj25a75nw7kwu0kf55svd4tpr9ekvqrn36c5

2024-09-08 09:14:36

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1) Crypto ATMs might be a good option for some. They require minimal info like an email or phone number below a certain amount usually (plenty of sites to use burner emails/phone number) and you can pay with cash. Any popular crypto works, ideally one with lower transaction fees, because you can just swap it to Monero after:
https://coinatmradar.com/
3) Be an Amazon proxy. Buyer doesn't know your address, Amazon doesn't know you're being paid in Monero.
https://monezon.com/
2) Sell something or work for it directly:
https://moneromarket.io/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://bounties.monero.social/
https://t.me/moneromarket
https://t.me/MoneroJobs
https://monerica.com/
4) If someone you know already buys crypto off major exchanges, doesnt care about KYC, and doesnt plan on stopping - ask if they will be your crypto dealer. You get no-KYC crypto, they get a small premium for doing it (presumably). Win-win.

2024-09-08 08:49:42

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Yes, don't buy Monero it's a dangerous shitcoin! Use Wallet of Satoshi instead!
https://image.nostr.build/ada7436da132e67c501964fc847bf9d58c6822051268396f692cda0551299bdb.jpg

2024-09-08 08:42:40

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There isn't privacy...it's a transparent ledger. There is potential anonymity. That's different from privacy.
I said they might lack the will and knowledge. It's not necessarily laziness. They might be oblivious that you can. They could find it economically not worth the transaction costs. They might need to transact relatively quickly and not have the time, etc.
If you create a car and that car requires the driver to be an engineer to drive it, spend more money and time than any other car to use it, maybe you shouldn't blame the customers.
Maybe your car just sucks.

2024-09-07 04:53:51

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Something the vast majority of users will never do because they lack the knowledge or will (relatively expensive, time-consuming, tedious)
Do you coinjoin every transaction? Otherwise, every counter party you transact with can see your balances and potentially follow them going forward. Unless you trust every single person and entity you transact with. But the general aim of crypto is you shouldn't have to trust anyone.

2024-09-06 09:44:29

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"En todos los casos, salvo en Bitcoin, el resultado es que estos tokens han sido ofrecidos por empresas privadas a clientes, con el objetivo de gestionarlos de forma que se genere un beneficio a corto o medio plazo."
Estás muy mal informado o mientes por una narrativa conveniente
No hay ninguna empresa detrás de Monero. No es un valor. No hay "premine" ni "developer tax". No es que importe. Su apelación es a la definición de una agencia gubernamental de un valor y parece estar en contra de un mercado libre de dinero. Si Bitcoin es tan bueno, que compita en un mercado libre de criptomonedas por sus propios méritos.
La emisión de Monero es descentralizada, predecible, y requiere Proof-of-work al igual que Bitcoin. No se puede imprimir Monero de la nada. También hay un puñado de otras monedas como esta. No es exclusivo de Bitcoin, por lo que es un punto extraño.
La minería de Monero también está posiblemente más descentralizada que Bitcoin porque cualquiera con un ordenador puede minar si quiere. También tiene una cantidad similar de nodos en todo el mundo como Bitcoin.
https://monero.fail/map

2024-09-06 09:21:01

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This was an edge case and only kind of helped because the user connected to a Chainalysis Monero node and swapped on centralized exchanges. No crypto can keep you private if you do those things not even Monero.
Even then if you watched the video notice he says:
"might be the user",
"no strong indications"
"I don't feel confident"
"we have to keep in mind that's just one possibility...we do not know with any certainty..."
"not many bread crumbs to follow"
They're basically just grasping. It wasn't actually deterministically traced just *possible* leads

2024-09-06 08:45:13

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They're visible to everyone in the world, both your addresses and amounts, just not tied to you (yet) if you did it correctly and make no future mistakes
That's anonymity, not privacy. And weakly anonymous at that (pseudonymous)
https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/90ea5272b3c03ba24be742349416c2b104f10d8956181a41c31bd524c9f5ff12.webp

2024-09-04 11:43:38

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Or maybe they just know every tool has it's place while you are here trying to use a hammer for every job...

2024-09-04 10:49:06

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I don't think so, but if you add any Monero address to your profile any Garnet users can one-click tip you Monero

2024-09-04 10:33:15

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Tell that to users like Roman Sterlingov
https://www.torekeland.com/roman-sterlingov/

2024-09-02 04:20:19

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Sim, eu sei, estava apenas a acrescentar algo mais ao que disse

2024-09-01 03:04:30

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Stop making some weird appeal to "longtime student of bitcoin"
It means nothing. Just because you've been a "student of Bitcoin" doesn't mean you don't have blindspots or can't be retarded.
"it can only be done ONCE"
Tell the darknet markets that. Bitcoin had first mover advantage AND network effect. Didn't matter. Monero still took over on the only truly free markets that exist and only place where permissionless transactions are possible.
"absolute scarcity" doesn't automatically mean anything. Value is a function of supply AND DEMAND. Bitcoiner *should* know by now that value is subjective and the market is constantly reevaluating. Value is not fixed just because scarcity is.
https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Scarcity-Fallacy

2024-08-30 12:05:17

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Perfect Forward Secrecy
SimpleX: Yes
Signal: Yes
Session: No
Threema: Yes

2024-08-30 11:47:41

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"I’m sorry, but that’s a very poor argument that has no value in the real world, only in some silly hypothetical. (I.e. in practice it actually just works very easily)"
Let's say I'm wrong and put aside the "passive" noderunners thing for the moment for the sake of argument, what I also said is that the vast majority of Bitcoin users don't run a node so are simply trusting others . And in those cases they are in a similar situation, if not worse, than Monero noderunners. Maybe you didn't see it, but like I told BitcoinStu, I don't disagree with anything you're saying about Bitcoin noderunnners.
"It would be extremely obvious if a node software didn’t do the simple job of auditing"
It's not so obvious to me. We have several examples in Bitcoins history where it wasn't necessarily so obvious to everyone running a node. This one required some random anon to even point it out to devs before anyone realized what was going on.
bitcoincore.org/en/2018/09/20/notice
"Funny that you use that example actually, because something like Monero doesn’t get that benefit. If the BTC audit was messed up you *could* check it very easy on pen and paper"
I never claimed that it did. And I agree you *could* with Bitcoin but who *does* in the real world, honestly? If a couple users do this, and do so often, how does it change the fact that 99.9% aren't verifying themselves? They can't claim the benefits of a transparent chain as you are saying because they never take advantage of those properties. I can shout until I'm blue in the face that I *can* do something, but I never actually did it until I *do* it.
"You’d have to disallow any and all use of the old system, essentially a reset, because broken cryptography means you now have no clue how many coins there are"
Pretty sure Zcash kept their supply sound and got around this scenario by using turnstiles, but not an ideal solution for sure (exploiters can leave legit user SooL)
I think we can agree that each method isn't perfect and has it's own downsides (basechain privacy vs basechain auditability)
Each project has different priorities and I think they should follow them to their conclusions
At least that will show us what works in practice (maybe they'll each succeed in a different way)
If I can ultimately transact with strong privacy, on Monero or some layer of Bitcoin, without any severe trade-offs to self-custody or permissionlessness, it's a win/win for me.

2024-08-29 09:36:23

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I know and I see that. But it still doesn't avoid that the vast majority of Bitcoiners don't do this. They don't even run a node.
For those that do (and do so often) I already agreed they have a reasonable argument against Monero if they want the best possible verifiability/auditability

2024-08-29 09:20:10

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But what if you're the vast majority of Bitcoiners that never do that "simple arithmetic"
You just keep bragging to us that you can (but don't ever do it)

2024-08-29 09:17:45

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I'm pointing out that if this is your argument against Monero there is little difference between that and the vast majority of Bitcoiners in practice.
How many Bitcoiners run nodes?
How many of those node runners are actively verifying it's transparent input/outputs- 0.001%?
Far fewer than you make it seem.
An advantage that one never takes advantage of...is not an advantage

2024-08-29 08:40:57

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That Bitcoin is an expensive surveillance NFT with a future mining security problem

2024-08-29 08:37:13

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You can't force governments to use Bitcoin.
You can't force people to use Bitcoin.
And if you're relying on the political process to secure Bitcoin then it is unnecessary because that is what fiat already is - money secured by politics.

2024-08-29 08:27:12

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It's hard to like something, or accept inconvenient truths, if your bags depend on it

2024-08-29 08:24:24

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Even if you don't use Garnet, if you have any old Monero address in your profile somewhere, Garnet users can one-click tip any of your notes they see

2024-08-29 08:22:18

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Actually, you can do both - send/receive zaps with lightning AND tip with Monero on #Garnet ☝🤓
Options 👌
Still a work-in-progress though
https://github.com/retrnull/garnet

2024-08-29 08:09:20

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You *can* verify the entire ledger yourself, but *do* you?
Your argument is akin to saying "I'm not fat because I *can* lift weights (but don't)"
Being able to do something, but never doing it, is functionally indistinguishable. Otherwise you're just trusting others.
The few that do actually audit are able to truly say that, but passive Bitcoin node runners have no/much weaker arguments against Monero. Most Bitcoiners don't even run a node let alone manually verify.

2024-08-29 07:39:39

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You're using a primals custodial lightning wallet
A 3rd party can still see them which is no different from traditional banks. Privacy from the general public, but not the bank (and any potential 3-letter agencies that "persuade" them)

2024-08-29 07:32:44

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I see boating accidents waiting to happen ⛵💥

2024-08-28 08:14:49

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Too many to list!
Check my follows and followers
Also a good place to start: @npub1r27…yqx6
But i'll try. In no particular order (and I'm sure I'm missing many):
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@npub1tt4…x9ud
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@npub13je…d03t
nostr: @npub1rsv…vmtf
@npub1fvp…x2x8

2024-08-26 06:56:39

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Bitcoin is crypto
https://image.nostr.build/d0caf1fbf38b76f7d892e76aadde0792ec9fd1be7806a02657f724984bad719d.jpg

2024-08-26 06:50:38

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Garnet has a lot of promise but is lagging behind hard. Didn't know about the weird licensing stuff either. Needs a lot of work, but seems relatively simple for the most part.

2024-08-26 06:33:01

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Nothing is broadcast to the Nostr network by default. The same thing as normally sending someone Monero. It just makes tipping someone on Nostr more convenient. Also, if you have a Monero address somewhere on your profile any Garnet user can one-click tip any of your notes.

2024-08-26 06:28:10

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It's also the default tip mode 👌

2024-08-24 03:40:03

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Realized I didn't answer your question fully
"why is monero?"
Because Monero is the largest privacy coin by far. Bitcoin is easier to surveil and trace. Amounts and addresses aren't even visible on Moneros blockchain.

2024-08-24 03:24:25

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Both camps hold a lot of common ideals (decentralization, permissionlessness, sovereignty, privacy, etc) just passionate disagreement on the best way to achieve them
There is a lot of overlap between bitcoiners and monero users

2024-08-24 02:52:29

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Zano is cool. They're doing their own experiment. More options the better. If Monero fails for whatever reason other chains can carry the torch.

2024-08-24 02:42:28

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"...Since Bitcoin is so bad for privacy?"
Your whole claim was that Bitcoin is private. It's not.
Now you're switching up your argument to anonymity (Bitcoin isn't even truly anonymous, it's weakly pseudonymous). A blockchain that is anonymous AND private would be ideal for OPSEC. Lack of privacy weakens your ability to stay anonymous.

2024-08-23 07:13:45

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note1wmuxrcvfnnzvzwjpk020r69srscpzm8p4ale8d0mzu6dcwj0s6ms88t683

2024-08-23 07:06:25

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You're being dishonest it's not the same. One makes things more difficult one makes them easier.
SoV has nothing to do with OPSEC or private transactions. Bitcoin can be $1 trillion per coin and still suck for privacy. In fact, it's a bad point for you to bring up because the only real time-tested SoV we have is gold which is private. Multiple millennia vs ~15 years

2024-08-23 06:52:14

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What does anonymity have to do with privacy? Maybe learn the difference. Satoshis is anonymous but his transactions are completely public.
https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/90ea5272b3c03ba24be742349416c2b104f10d8956181a41c31bd524c9f5ff12.webp

2024-08-22 07:31:48

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Exactly. All things equal the same user would have a more difficult time maintaining their opsec as a whole by using Bitcoin vs Monero. An inconvenient truth they don't acknowledge.

2024-08-22 07:22:02

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All things equal the average user is much more likely to make mistakes trying to be private on Bitcoin vs Monero
The rest is cope

2024-08-22 07:20:11

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This is like saying everyone should learn proper engineering before driving cars. If someone needs to learn engineering to use your car, your car sucks bro.

2024-08-21 10:58:36

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There are already steganographic methods available to use Tor without the network knowing you are using it i.e. bridges/webtunnel
https://blog.torproject.org/introducing-webtunnel-evading-censorship-by-hiding-in-plain-sight/

2024-08-21 10:44:55

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You don't like ring signatures either? Well you're in luck my friend!
nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzptm5p5vch2acc7uz6zj8rr4n2jan76he4xrrnwzaffw0zdcu4w59qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3qamnwvaz7tmndakx7cm09ehxctcqyrh8xm44hmsk6555ez8lk84q0690ntpspy0qqs0zmfz78sw2t7a0z2sqdwq

2024-08-21 10:29:23

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Its a lot simpler than it sounds. They're basically just asking for an optional field for SimpleX links.

2024-08-21 10:16:16

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lul
https://image.nostr.build/6738c99c554a656adb4a85a6be30b2f92db7ec7940f83cc9a9c1172889093e05.png

2024-08-21 07:06:09

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Good work around. Should be fixed sometime soon.
https://bounties.monero.social/posts/147/garnet-maintenance-sync-upstream-new-icons-resolve-amethyst-dual-install-conflict-etc

2024-08-18 06:23:41

📢 Attention Garnet Users 📢
Consider pitching in to improve a few issues with Garnet and get it up to date with Amethyst. Maybe we'll get a couple nice features to go along with it.
Small amounts add up ✨
#nevent1q…yunh

2024-08-17 06:57:19

https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/90ea5272b3c03ba24be742349416c2b104f10d8956181a41c31bd524c9f5ff12.webp

2024-08-17 05:32:53

Not only is amount privacy on Monero quantum computer proof because of pedersen commitments...
TIL stealth addresses, for all practical purposes, are "zero knowledge" as they reveal no additional information about the receiver (all Monero users are equally likely to be the reciever) AND quantum computer proof if an adversary doesn't have access to the original Monero address
https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/1a8066762602624a6a89bec530511f125d04f91304e0ab7a33c16015c9c9b741.webp

2024-08-16 11:42:52

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1) No, I'm agreeing with you that it does publish transactions by default. Reread both charts carefully.
2) No, I specified obfuscation on the first chart. For second chart (FCMP++) it will encrypt the sender based off ZK accumulators. I never contested that lightning encrypts senders. Again, did you even read my charts lol?
3) This is where I might agree depending on what you mean. Are you claiming nodes can't see the change in their channel balances when payments are going through them? Or are you saying they are unsure of the original amount that was sent? (because the receiver *could* be using AMP atomic multi-path payments, etc)
"Not even the last node in the route knows who the recipient is or what amount the sender sent."
AFAIK this isn't true, but open to being wrong if you can show me. Even though sender and intermediary nodes don't know, the very last hop knows the recipient (of course).
4)
>"...you write that lightning does not (red x) hide your ip address BY DEFAULT. It does..."
>"...you first have to set up port forwarding...then you have to make a CHOICE...Most people CHOOSE to use tor"
???
which one is it? Is it by default or not?
Monero uses dandelion to hide IP origin of a transaction from other nodes on the network by default - EVEN WITHOUT TOR
P.S. Is your conversation with Luke Parker on Seths pod still happening? I think both sides would learn a lot from it.

2024-08-16 07:30:37

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Hell yea 100% agree
Privacy is critical for this little experiment to succeed. That is one of the articles I read on my journey to get a better understanding of the state of privacy on lightning. I'm not partial to any particular tool. Whatever works well for the job I'll use. Right now that just happens to be Monero mostly. BOLT12 seems like a massive upgrade and solves many sovereign lightning privacy/UX issues. Once that gets more adoption I'm planning on giving it a chance. Looking forward to all the benefits that the FCMP++ upgrade brings to Monero too.
I could go on and on about the the cognitive dissonance of the holy blocksize limit and decentralization, but maybe another time. Nice chatting with you!
https://www.getmonero.org/2024/04/27/fcmps.html

2024-08-16 06:32:55

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A week, really? Seems like you know quite a bit already!
No problem. There is a lot to think about with lightning privacy. I'm sure I forget to mention stuff.
Not to shill, but personally that's why I love the simple, yet strong, privacy that Monero offers (for self-custodial/permissionless transactions even if one doesn't want to stack it). Privacy from both counter and third parties and no gymnastics required for it like lightning.
For ecash I recommend Minibits wallet for Nostr since they give you a static lightning address you can replace your WoS one with
https://github.com/minibits-cash/minibits_wallet

2024-08-16 06:12:40

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Confusing chart. The first one makes it seem like publishing all transactions by default is better with the ✔
Well if we are being uncharitable and cherry pick...
https://image.nostr.build/bd5b09f43e4c38c607362159206104738dd6a002afcb220f4ac445f76d8db97f.png
https://image.nostr.build/47719a7b5fba87e086352167c286bf0486cc9acb22d58c87e3d5ce1ac04f49b5.png

2024-08-16 05:09:48

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Definitely a lot of nuance and caveats... Lightning receiver privacy has always been bad. Amount privacy also not guaranteed because of probing like you said.
Self custody Lightning can be more/less private than on-chain depending "how" (with or without LSP) you use it and "who" you want to be private from (counter parties, third parties, or both)
i.e.
Using unannounced channels gives privacy from third parties (general public)...but not counter parties (the user youre transacting with) and ironically destroys plausible deniability.
Wrapped invoices with Zeus gives receiver privacy from counter parties, but not third parties (Zeus).
How most use lightning (with custodians and LSPs 80-90% according to nostr and wallet downloads) it offer similar privacy to a traditional bank. It gives privacy from the general public, but not the custodian/LSP.
Noticed you are using Wallet of Satoshi for Nostr. If you're using lightning custodially (so you've already accepted the risk of being rugged), and you are concerned about privacy, you should consider using Ecash for that since it is a strict improvement. Privacy from counter parties AND third parties.
https://zapalytics.com/

2024-08-16 03:16:59

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Awww you're thinking about us ❤🤭

2024-08-15 04:39:29

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using Monero*

2024-08-15 03:18:33

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From my experience it seems like many misunderstand and think Nostr as intrinsically tied to Bitcoin itself somehow because of zaps (camp A: they don't understand that the protocol is agnostic to any crypto) or camp B: "it's a Bitcoin maxi echo chamber"
Kind of cant blame them for that last one honestly because it kind of is. That's more reason for them to come on over to change that though 😂

2024-08-15 02:58:48

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Someone already said anonshop but here are a few other options:
https://sovereignstack.tools/rerouter/
If you can find the item you want on Amazon:
https://monezon.com/

2024-08-15 02:44:56

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There is a new monerosigner (seedsigner fork) CCS that has been pretty active recently
But like others have already said right now your options are 1) Trezor, 2) an airgapped offline device (laptop or phone), 3) or a Tails USB stick with feather wallet
Here is a couple DIY guides for airgapped offline device signers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqYzZyqyno
https://4rkal.com/posts/feathernero/

2024-08-15 02:30:09

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Soon hopefully 🙏
https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/%20MoneroSignerResurrection.html

2024-08-13 10:45:16

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You say "nothing is really black and white", "tradeoffs", and "spectrums"
So if you're honest why can't you see that using Monero is just another tradeoff? It has it's own advantages/disadvantages over Ecash, Lightning, and on-chain Bitcoin too.

2024-08-13 10:32:45

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Haveno Reto. It's a newer Bisq fork that uses Monero instead of Bitcoin as the base trading pair.
Advantages are the trades are much cheaper and more private than Bisq and you can buy Monero directly with fiat instead of needing to buy Bitcoin and then swap to Monero.
Disadvantage, because it is newer, there are less offers than Bisq.
A lot of Monero users also like Trocador for quick and easy swaps. It's an aggregator of "instant" crypto swappers.
Check out the "monero guide" link on my profile for more options
https://haveno-reto.com/
https://trocador.app

2024-08-13 10:21:22

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Ok, but ecash is custodial...you're just making my point for me about having to choose between either good UX, or sovereign LN, but not both. Moving that $50 to Zeus is less private than ecash though lol.
Yep I've been keeping my eye on bolt12. Definitely a big privacy improvement for LN. There was too much mania over lightning in the early days that fell short of the hype, so i'll reserve my judgement until bolt12 is more widely used and I can play around with it and see it work in the wild.
We'll see

2024-08-13 10:02:17

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I'm just saying doing all of these things in the first place is already a big jump for most.
The more difficult you make it...the less users will have the the will or capability to use it sovereignly.
P2P digital cash just has to work with as little friction as possible.
Phoenix is not private, not censorship resistant, and requires what amounts to a "minimum fee" to even start. Monero is private, censorship resistant, and can start without first needing to pay to open a channel.

2024-08-13 09:50:06

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Zeus is cool. Probably the best lightning wallet atm. I just think self-custodial LN in general has a lot of pain points especially new users. To even begin using it the user has to commit to 100,000+ sats first. And because of the painful UX of LN, most will use Zeus LSP which gives privacy to the receivers from the general public but not the LSP.
Maybe that is good enough for a lot of users, but that is the same privacy modern banks already offer.
Monero offers privacy from ALL third parties and doesn't require putting down money to get started in the first place

2024-08-13 09:19:10

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Why is that not an argument? The reason lightning is disproportionately used with custodians (~80-90% custodial users) is because of its shitty UX.
The better the UX is for self-custody and permissionless txs, the more users will use it that way.
https://zapalytics.com/

2024-08-13 09:14:38

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You're doing unnecessary additional swaps.
You're assuming that you would necessarily go back to Bitcoin after swapping to Monero.
Why would you swap back when you can just have a small stash of Monero you keep for spending directly in the short-medium term?
Or if you're receiving Monero as payments, it is just one swap away from hodling as Bitcoin. No need for lightning privacy gymnastics or trusting custodians.

2024-08-13 08:01:34

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Appreciate the honesty and your full thoughts.
If that's what you believe will happen, fair enough
I don't know the future. Either Monero is still around as a useful tool because Bitcoin still hasn't quite nailed it's privacy options...
...OR Bitcoiners finally shut us Monero reply guys up by making it obsolete with some layer that does the same thing (or better)
It's a win/win for me

2024-08-13 07:03:50

Looks like they already have an alpha release being worked on for the bounty
http://github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-plus/
"Building an Open-Source Android App for Haveno Dex"
https://bounties.monero.social/posts/126/21-112m-building-an-open-source-android-app-for-haveno-dex

2024-08-13 02:28:11

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Because with Lightning you either sacrifice good UX or permissionless/self-custodial transactions for some privacy (arguably worse in several respects i.e. receiver and network privacy).
I think the ~80-90% custodial lightning users on Nostr and custodial wallet download ratios speaks to the bad UX it has.
You don't have to make that choice with Monero (althought it has other ones of course)
Monero is more straightforward and actually focused on strong privacy by default. Lightning is focused on cheap and fast retail payments with privacy as an afterthought.
It's also not perfectly comparable since Lightning is a layer and Monero is a crypto like Bitcoin. Monero can have layers with the next major update that will be a better comparison. An encrypted base with an ephemeral layer is probably ideal for privacy overall.
https://zapalytics.com/

2024-08-13 01:56:45

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Tradeoffs are only bad in the context of a goal
Want permissionless private transactions, good UX, all without paying an arm and leg? Bitcoin tradeoffs are bad
Moneros tradeoffs make it a better p2p digital cash

2024-08-13 01:51:29

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"Monero is a niche use case crypto token..."
All of crypto is niche tbh including Bitcoin. If this is a popularity contest then use fiat.
"Bitcoin is an easily auditable, fixed supply monetary system that is grounded in physical reality and gives anyone in the world the ability to save and truly own their wealth outside of their local fiat currencies"
Not unique to Bitcoin. Can say all this for just about any popular PoW chain 🤦‍♂️
"Bitcoin is an easily auditable..."
The same reason why its sucks for privacy

2024-08-13 01:44:06

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It's FOSS and permissionless just like Bitcoin
tf are you talking about

2024-08-12 22:59:17

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Yes, I think that is one of the few ways you can protect from DoS attacks on Tor. I'm assuming it's related to:
https://blog.torproject.org/introducing-proof-of-work-defense-for-onion-services/

2024-08-12 04:21:21

New release for Haveno Reto
https://github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/releases/tag/v1.0.10

2024-08-12 00:32:05

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If you'd bought #bitcoin (#BTC) in 2009, you'd still be on a surveillance chain right now—15 years later.

2024-08-10 07:52:50

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My point is white market transactions mean jack shit for Bitcoins value prop so you can throw that permissioned volume in the garbage.
Yes, fiat is much better if you're going to make a transaction that follows all the rules anyway.
https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Permissionless-Principle

2024-08-09 21:52:28

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Didn't one of you guys already say the same thing about darknet markets?
I wouldn't be so sure, Nostradamus
https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/1f90427dc509f688d750d255d92b72f31f9bd43b8d097617e5418697e49f98a7.webp
https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/78ada4b1d25c1434aea6d6674655c493dc5f106d1d6e3bc487a04292d7e1667f.webp
https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/29751b4dc7834f41ea1f309b1f3086ce57166cc3944547744417e606510e59f8.webp
https://nostrcheck.me/media/af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85/6738c99c554a656adb4a85a6be30b2f92db7ec7940f83cc9a9c1172889093e05.webp

2024-08-09 21:45:09

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You're the one that just dodged my previous question lmao
You're just proving my point with this centralized ledger white market price/volume chart (AKA permissioned) where the majority of Bitcoin economic activity resides (defeating the whole point of Bitcoin)
Aside from ideological fanatics, there is no reason to use Bitcoin for a transaction, if you're going to adhere to the rules, when fiat exists and already does that way better. It's far more accepted too.

2024-08-09 18:57:28

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NGU on the surveillance chain 🥳
https://image.nostr.build/9f76e4c0f830601c97c152d2b5336ab3a18630c758d0a4ae48b454c08199af30.jpg

2024-08-09 18:52:41

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By default it shouldn't do that, but users can display that if they choose too, maybe those users tipping you chose to turn that option on?

2024-08-09 18:43:46

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What layers does Bitcoin have besides lightning that have any real adoption? Even if we include the 85% custodial users on lightning it is still meager.
I think believing the world is going to adopt Bitcoin (or any crypto) is an idealistic world. Especially on government controlled white markets.

2024-08-09 18:38:59

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The $100 trillion global cash market disagrees

2024-08-09 02:11:47

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I see
Bitcoin doesnt scale either even with the lightning network 🤷‍♂️

2024-08-09 01:11:17

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Sure and I wouldn't recommend it. But if you're going to do it, you have far better plausible deniability and all by default with Monero.
Just sounds like the mental gymnastics meme the fact you even have to maintain it going forward even after the CJ. Make one mistake with an old UTXO years down the road and all that work was for nought.

2024-08-08 23:22:46

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Ok, then why are you so worried that Monero doesn't scale?
What you're saying is also true. It still doesn't change the fact that custodians don't scale Bitcoin. It scales IOUs.

2024-08-08 23:15:38

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So you would rather spend more time/money/tedium for worse privacy...when you can just hit the send button on a Monero?

2024-08-08 23:12:11

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Android. You can also try the web client Nostril, but I think it's no longer being worked on anymore. But still works atm.
https://github.com/retrnull/garnet
https://anarkio.codeberg.page/nostril/#/home/

2024-08-08 23:05:15

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You aren't scaling Bitcoin usage with custodians. You're scaling IOUs.

2024-08-08 22:22:44

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True, but once a Monero user withdraws they lose track of it with nothing further required.
Bitcoin requires extra manual steps that require a fair bit of knowledge, money, time, and tedium. This is why vast majority of Bitcoin users don't coinjoin.
It's not just that though. Even p2p, you still don't want anyone you transact with to know your balances and tx history. Even if they are people you know.