Grandma's not going to VPN hop. Your service isn't going to VPN hop out of the box either. Either way, you move trust for privacy to VPN's regardless. I think you're a little too dismissive of an obvious privacy concern that's reliant on trusted third parties.
Instant settlement for digital goods is nice, but commerce for physical goods absolutely works at scale waiting days for settlement. Credit card transactions are not instantly settled. There is a level of trust involved when I go to a store and don't steal the goods always. Commerce runs at scale on that trust today. I agree it's a good aim as laid out in the white paper to aim to minimize that trust, but I think it's too reductive to say it doesn't work at scale.
I agree the lack of a central coordinator is an advantage over coinjoins. There are still relevant privacy concerns we haven't even discussed, like the channel opening revealing UTXO to the channel partner for example.
Can you define "fairly infrequent" for you? Are you opening channels with known good node operators (and therefore helping centralize the network that way)? How do you guarantee you're nor opening with some other mobile node?
naruto / Naruto
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2026-09-22 06:42:04 GMT
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