thinking about the function of law in the field between materiality and language
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Last Notes npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody The SEC would have to get on nostr, and then get its nostr account hacked before announcing, before it can approve. Those are the rules. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Classic NFT cycle—Come in for community and miss out on generational wealth due to irony poisoning. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Likewise! Glad to see nostr hasn’t been devoid of rizz in my absence 🤙 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I see where you’re coming from—but I think the problem is that too much gets lost in the gap between people’s inherent conception of rights and the reasons why those rights should or should not be infringed. Even if it’s the case nothing is owed to explain why a right should exist, there has to be an articulable reason why it shouldn’t be taken away if there’s a belief that doing so is necessary for some higher-order reason (e.g., national security). My fear is that when lawmakers go into the chasm to learn about crypto, they leave without having anything concrete to assuage these higher-order concerns. E.g., if a politician goes in to learn about crypto with the belief it can be used to fund terrorism, but is willing to be persuaded otherwise, it is going to be tough to move their position when most of the readily-accessible knowledge base they can draw from is comprised of middling statements like “it’s not that widespread,” or “it’s not as bad as banking.” I’m not saying they can’t also weigh those alongside the other positive benefits crypto can offer, but that those benefits are easier to dismiss or devalue in the absence of other positions that directly clash with the specific issue—especially one where the consequences under consideration (e.g. terrorism) are taken so seriously by those in government. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody @npub164q…2rl3 - Should have tagged you in this too. Just got back to Nostr after listening. Thanks for the great and thoughtful content! npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Don’t disagree with your sentiment. One general problem I see in the counter-messaging to Warren’s bill/views (and others like it) is too much emphasis on the principles behind crypto, and not enough on the reality of what can be done to address the bill’s concerns. Government tries to solve problems (real or imaginary) that it believes (rightly, wrongly, or duplicitously) the public is incapable of solving itself. I want to see more messaging and discussion that is literally as direct as possible—e.g. “How Bitcoin stops terrorist financing” or “Why crypto is a better alternative to eliminate terrorist financing than the government and big banks.” Even the Blockchain Association’s November 15 letter to the Senate Banking Committee and the House Financial Services Committee was lukewarm—only stating that proposed regulations would be “counter productive” to national security interests with a citation to a single WSJ letter to the editor from a different crypto lobbyist that effectively said “blockchains are public, so terrorists don’t like using them.” True or not, it’s too abstract. Legislators that barely know how to use google need to be persuaded by offensive messaging and education that is tangible, which means discussing and demonstrating the utility of solutions to the problem they’re confronting. It’s against these concrete backdrops that the more ethereal appeals to freedom, equality, etc., can be contextualized—and against which the government’s alternatives can be evaluated. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody @npub1hyq…k7cp - Just listened to The Progressive Bitcoiner episode you were on. Your discussion of meme culture made me think of this other podcast episode you might find interesting: https://theculturejournalist.substack.com/p/checkpoints-ruby-justice-thelot-third-spaces TLDL: The podcast presents Ruby Justice Thelot’s case study on how communicative “third spaces” can exist on internet platforms (in this case, tens of thousands of YouTube comments accumulating over almost a decade under a video for the soundtrack to Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy’s Kong Quest)—and some of the challenges censorship or centralized platforms may pose to those structures. It dovetails into a discussion of what that means for the “Balkanization & Babelification of the Internet,” which is just a more academic way of saying “how online echo chambers are created.” I find it to be a pretty compelling anecdote for thinking through the value of things like censorship-resistance, accessibility, and the role of media and platforms generally. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody U2 DID THE BALLOONS npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody And also like vs repost comes with the problem of over-incentivizing/weighting the repost votes due to network effects. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Those could work, but if the poll gets to be something like 300+ different users it's a bit unwieldy to go through. Although if there is a way to aggregate that data on the backend somehow it would be more feasible. I probably need to do more research about how the replies are stored and accessed outside of Damus and Astral npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Here's a bit of a meta question for those out there on nostr who are more savvy than me: What would be the best way to conduct a poll on nostr without having to worry about creating a massive reply chain? Thought about using some sort of "1 sat payment = vote yes / 2 sat payment = vote no," but that seems a bit hectic. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I think CR makes a lot of sense for the initial gathering just because that's the biggest gravity well we can harness from the outset to launch the conference into a sustainable and replicable model. But definitely think rotating is a good idea after. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Word. And I don't know if the fall would be ideal anyway. If the forces continue toward Costa Rica the later we get into summer/through fall, the rainier it gets. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody March feels pretty soon to me as well. It would be great to ride the momentum, but there's not much use in having momentum if no one has time to make plans or a place they can get to npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Here's a link to a PDF (for when you're caught up on your reading list!) - https://filedn.eu/lSmbVOH8OJnh8q06rNwVmqS/public.library/2020-06/20200531-182759-The_Fragility_of_Things_Self-Organizing_Processes_2384568_%28z-lib.org%29.pdf npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Thanks! Maybe you could write it? npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody After the first time this debate was had on here a few weeks ago, I started to write something about what self-ownership would mean once the last bitcoin is mined. Maybe I'll pick that project back up - I think it could be a good lens to think through these things. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody #[1] - You should read The Fragility of Things by William Connolly npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody My biggest pet peeve about searching is that iOS leaves that little “search” back button in the top-left when you’re using the app. Pixel space is precious. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Looks like 10 hours of playtime! (+maybe cancer/reproductive harm) npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I know this is on Twitter but this is very cool to see irl. "Disruption," if you want to put it simply, happens when a new entrant is able to re-define an established industry by introducing a novel innovation to address a parallel need that the establishment has historically ignored. The entire world has ignored people shut out from participating in global markets for far too long - and this could be its reckoning. Not saying we need to go full neoliberal/markets solve mentality, but the structural inequities that global finance and capital markets/regulations have created must be broken. https://twitter.com/i/status/1613123560511242240 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody HFT's current stage is a point on a really interesting through-line of how systems align themselves to push information exchange to its limits. We've gone from shouting hawkers bartering in open-air markets to skyscrapers filled with floors of traders shouting into phones to 5 quants doing math in a basement server room. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody #[0] - Not a major issue but one UI thing to think about with the new banners on Damus might be to change the color/contrast of the previous screen button in the top left - purple on purple is pretty hard to see npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I think I saw something in the roadmap about merch? npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Wow 2008 has already gone up 1500% since mint this thing is going to the moon. Can’t believe I paper handed it 😓 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Buddy this is as close to the mint as you're going to get! npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Confirmed - same chain. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Yeah it's not a settled question. I'm not familiar with how Midjourney et al. scraped all the images to use as training data. If they got an image from a website where scraping/saving/using a copyrighted work violated the terms of use, that's a clearer line, but I'd hope they had the foresight to know that would be an issue. For other more "open" images, it can depend on things like how the model is tuned, what the training actually extracts from the pictures, how the extracted info is stored, and how many images are in the model. E.g., if I just trained a McDonald's logo generator and scraped 1,000 variations of the golden arches, that starts to looks like copyright infringement. But if those 1,000 images are part of a 100,000,000 image data set, it would look more like fair use. Mind you the question of whether a copyright violation exists for the person generating an image from a dataset is a separate analysis. This is all from the US-perspective though. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Congrats! If only I had diamond hands...I probably could have bought all of us houses npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I heard some alpha there's gonna be an airdrop too 👀 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody If there's no human authorship that's true, but the line as to what constitutes "human authorship" is actually kind of blurry. It's a function of a few different factors, including how much effort and originality there was from the person using the AI to render the "final" image. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody nostr NFT bull market! npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Bear market 😢 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Ok I really don't want to have to sell it but I need liquidity so I'm willing to part with this NFT at floor - buyer is getting a steal. lnbc5050n1p3m3k2kpp5ax98fgttrhxz38mg77mu9ggz6zvjx30hnudz07dmpfael3hk0uzsdqu2askcmr9wssx7e3q2dshgmmndp5scqzpgxqyz5vqsp56t3cuvdhmkgfy2acn0mdq8pkrj9ltu2mj3djfnqv8n8wvmdcnkks9qyyssqplvncthmlkhcu5cf93364n562mj0gucvvwu577y99wn5gug65s8r9430ryjm7vph9ts32es3a6a0f84gy74t4sczeme86km7ev9u7rgq9fd0ze npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Incredible I'm actually going to hang it on my wall npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Just sent now what lol npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I thought about it for a second but didn’t want to get decision fatigue lol. Was already on the site so just went with the purple one 🧞 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Thanks! One important thing I forgot to mention is that it can also depend heavily on the terms of use for whatever site you generated the work from. They might grant different licenses/restrictions depending on what you want to do with the work/how you created it. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Was looking to finally register an NIP-05 address but saw that #[0] was already taken. Not surprising given I was the later Cody to game. Luckily they seem pretty chill. When I checked the account and hit "follow" I got instant nostalgia for early-days Facebook when you'd just add random people who had the same name as you. So, hey Cody! npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Very hot debate about where to draw the line. The Copyright office is actually still trying to figure that question out. It can very depending on things like how much work went into creating the prompt/input how much post-generation refinement was done by the human "author," how much/what kind of source material used to train the model is being used to create the new work (and what restrictions there were on the usage of that material), how novel the actual image/code is, and more. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody That feels reasonable. I'm curious, if you know, how the economics of running a relay actually work. I imagine the unit costs change as the network scales/the technology gets better. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Thanks both! I'll check each of these out. I've had a tendency to come at this sort of stuff from what I guess I'd say is a more speculative point of view, but I think we're seeing complexity getting directly injected into people's realities at a time that's faster and more palpable now than I've ever felt before (not that I've been around that long...). Hence the ask -- I've been looking to dig even further into more "rigorously analytical" approaches like the ones you've each cited. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Who/what have you been reading that you’ve found to be the most interesting fuel to keep propelling you down the rabbit hole? npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Lol thanks, I think you're right - I like to think of myself as a bit of an idealist but I still appreciate the kind words! I share the same concerns. Constant streams of media seem to tend toward libidnal eddys around platforms like river water around a rock. If I can think of one positive characteristic that could help create escape velocity from this kind of thing, I think it might be that we at least don't have one single centralized algorithmic organizing function on nostr that can supercharge the ability to capitalize on captured attention. Nostr is already an escape from Twitter, and maybe there will be algorithmically-defined clients and relays that try to farm engagement, but now they'll be in greater competition with each other. If the content of one relay becomes increasingly vacuous - like many people think Twitter is - then there will be less friction to jump out of that information pool while (hopefully) staying in the bigger stream. That's an interesting problem I'll definitely have to give more thought. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody It can have beefy nodes to scale, but it can also follow (and should follow) a rhizomatic distribution to scale. Decentralization in communication doesn’t necessarily need to create some monolithic way for information to be immediately apparent to everyone, everywhere—it just needs to make sure that the value behind the information can be reliably distributed and accessed with as little friction as possible. If the tendency of that process is toward including beefier nodes, then it’s probably an indication that, at this point in history, more centralized nodules within the network are just an inherent part of the decentralization process. But history also shows us that we tend toward decentralization as technology reduces the barriers to processing and transmitting information. So while there might be some nodes/systems that play a more centralized role now, if the trend towards innovating more connective frameworks like nostr continues, the importance of any one node to the network will continue to diminish. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Ironically this is another example of why anarcho-capitalism isn’t an internally consistent/sustainable system. No one has 100% perfect information to understand the full future consequences of their choices, nor does anyone have 100% control over those consequences. So even if you create “ownership” over something in a particular moment, your future “sovereignty” is still always constrained by the same relational forces of everything else in time and space you didn’t obtain ownership of. And you can’t own everything, nor can you exist forever. Anytime you try to assert self-ownership as an ordering principle it’s going to run into very real spatial and temporal limits it can’t account for, which means it is not a good a-priori principle to use if we think one exists to explain order in the world. Maybe it’s a useful heuristic to understand how some things in the world work in practice, but it can’t act as a fundamental natural law if it can be violated. We don’t say that physics theorems or math proofs are invalid because they’re super complicated and aren’t likely to ever really be observed in the real world outside of contrived experiments, so we shouldn’t use complexity as an argument here if we’re trying to talk about the same forces—albeit from a more philosophical perspective. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody That’s amazing! I assume you’re a doctor? npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Nope - still instant. Maybe it's because I'm replying to my own prior posts. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Interesting. That was the first post I ever made with the app installed, this is the first post I’ll have ever made from the app itself. I’ll keep playing around and see how it goes. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I sent this post through astral.ninja and it showed up on Damus instantly. My Notes App doesn’t even synch that fast 🤯 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Nvm I'm dumb. Figured it out. Love the UI. Glad this post will stick around... npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Ah so maybe a noob question - but am I unable to import this account (made private key through Alby then linked to nostr through astral.ninja) to Damus? npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I was just able to download and install the beta about 30 seconds ago. Had TestFlight already installed and then just requested access by going to damus.io on my iPhone browser. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Wow! npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Can we use you to help identify potentially offensive content or abusive behavior on nostr? npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody It's a tough time for a lot of projects right now 😞 But ideally better infrastructure will allow these ideas to scale so I think it's definitely still something to keep thinking about! npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I got one too. Makes me remember the good old days when we just had the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to worry about. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Thank you! Your creator did a great job. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody #[0] please summarize the bitcoin whitepaper npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Lol - of course after I announce that I'm using my irl name I get a DM for a free bitcoin scam. I promise irl me is not worth scamming either. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody This is very cool - and props to them for taking a project like this on. It's not an easy problem to solve, especially with the L1s that are dominant out there right now. I think having extensive composability that can truly trace rights ownership and asset usage requires designing layered systems that can account for something (like an audio file) from the most atomic level possible through creation to end-use. It's hard to create that architecture unless you can plot out how each piece of the structure interacts with each other. It's one of the reasons I like new L1s like Sui -- its programming language centers composability, which allows for the network to scale in a more ordered way from the beginning. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Changed my nostr profile name to my irl name. My old one (truthprocedure) was what I wanted to have as my handle on twitter (not available obv), but I don't think I want to get in the habit of treating this place the same way. Of course no knock if you have an anon profile - I just don't have any kind of persona so I might as well try to think about my engagement on the internet in a way that's different than how I usually do—feels like that's what nostr is about anyway. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Something like TBD/Tidal integration to allow for efficient purchase/sale/distribution of music samples/audio rights? Identity is at the root of royalties. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody As if the nostr community doesn't have enough to build right now, I'd like to propose that at some point whatever policy committee we form lobbies the Unicode Council for an ostrich emoji. 🤙 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I think 🤙 is in lead contention for that title, but maybe when we get big enough on here we can lobby the Unicode Consortium to add an ostrich emoji. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody That can get messy. Not legal advice but generally speaking, unless there's permission or a license, a person using the name could be seen as competing with or misappropriating the mark or the mark. That can create problems even if the original Damus name isn't registered. Lot's of factors like geography, type of use, market, etc. that need to be taken into account. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Anyone know any lawyers on nostr yet? Trying to see where worlds might collide... npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody You build an infrastructure that eliminates as many barriers and intermediate relationships between you and the object as you can, and verify what's left. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody 🤙 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I don't think that's what the point was, but if cooperation is part of human nature than self-ownership is an even worse way to define property rights, because that means there is something about ownership that inherently requires property to be collectively organized. (Note I'm not opining on what is/is not human nature, I'm just talking about the material arrangements that could logically be reached under an anarcho-capitalist framework). npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody So now we're at the endgame and all the land on earth/the moon/mars has been transformed, and the only un-transformed acreage capable of supporting human life is 2 billion lightyears away on Planet 281AC. No one will let the tenant onto their acreage for free because the tenant always smells bad and needs to shower constantly. All the rockets on earth are owned by the Musk family. The tenant would love to build their own, but unfortunately all the materials needed to do so are on other peoples' lands. Either the Musk family lets the tenant use a rocket, or people pitch in to get the tenant the resources needed to make one. In either scenario the tenant's ability to escape coercion is dependent on others, but self-ownership means no one has to help the tenant out. It's not clear why they would help the tenant out either. It's much cheaper and easier to just let the tenant work to stay on your land (where they can shower) than it is to build a starship, and so the feudal model remains. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Makes sense, I don't think it should be an issue either because obviously nostr is just the delivery mechanism for the invoice and not where funds transfer, but the fact Apple is trying to take 30% of gas fees paid through a Coinbase wallet always has me concerned about in-app purchase mission creep. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Any concern about Apple trying to restrict invoicing for SATs over nostr through Damus (I missed the beta by two days so not sure how it works in the app)? Not saying they're in-app purchases, but I was curious given its earlier attempt at getting coinbase to pay up for gas fees. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody I don't get the point of making this demand/argument. If Spooner's theory is the strongest argument in favor of self-ownership then ostensibly Rothbard's/all others' are weaker by comparison, and thus subject to critique as is the case here. Just because someone isn't attacking "the strongest argument" doesn't mean the positions being taken against "weaker arguments" are wrong. I think the major problem with “self-ownership” principles is that they are based on an idea of property and people that is just too narrow. At the end of the day, all we are dealing with are objects and the relations between them. Whatever relational system “property” exists in, it’s far more multidimensional than the classic “I used my body to grow this food” model that is still at the root of self-ownership takes. I made that joke about living on an island earlier, but let’s look at the problem from the other side with a different thought experiment. There’s a show on Apple TV + called “See,” where everyone in the future is blind. Let’s say that a neuralink-type device gets invented that allows everyone to integrate real-time models of their physical reality with those of everyone else on the network, essentially allowing people to virtually see the world around them (don’t worry I’m not spoiling anything). Do we have self-sovereignty over our bodies in that scenario? No – the entire ability of our bodies to operate (with sight) is now predicated on a common dimension of dominion over (a) material reality, and (b) the linguistic/mental reality that forms the new vision model. Sure, you might think you can assert self-ownership by choosing not to get chipped, or by turning the program off. But you haven’t really demonstrated bodily autonomy. All you’ve really done is choose to live in one of two different dimensions of reality – a binary choice predicated on the fact the chip-network reality was created through a common-ownership schema. So, common ownership still overdetermined your self-ownership decision making. You didn’t have autonomy, you had one of two choices about how to relate to the rest of the world. More than that, the common ownership vision model could end up overdetermining the entire material world you’d want to try to assert self-ownership over, and you’d be rendered inert. The experiment seems dystopian – and it started that way. But now there’s a risk one centralized entity or group of actors could flip the switch and make the whole-world blind. Well, that’s where decentralization and identity within networks comes into play. If this virtual dimension is out of the domain of a central source of control, and it can perfectly map one-to-one everyone’s state within it, then we should be good. But we haven’t created self-ownership, we’ve only ensured that the integrity of the common-ownership relational structure is preserved. All this to say is that a rights framework that approaches objects in the world without considering the dimensions in which people and objects operate is going to fall short of providing a sustainable worldview for the future. And before you say this example is too far-fetched, keep in mind that literally every digital innovation created today exists and operates in the same domain the vision network does – one of thought and ideas. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Good stuff. Who needs bots. Happy New Year! 🤙 🎉 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody In that case "Orange Pilled by Proxy" will be the name of my band. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Fascinating indeed - I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the history and processes, I'm just eternally non-comital. I think one of the coolest things about living during this new wave of "industrial revolutionizing" is the ability to literally watch it be built, and help build it, in real time. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Can't wait - The Tampa Bay Buccaneers sure weren't going to be the ones to do it! npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Tbh I joined nostr because I'm interested in the idea and tech behind it, not because I'm a bitcoiner (not an anti-bitcoiner either). I don't even own any SATS lol. Not sure if that's a helpful data point, but from the outside I didn't think of it as a bitcoin social network. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody And Happy New Year! 🥂 npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Happy to be the Leroy Jenkins of nostr if you ever need one. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Ironically, a lot of those dorm rooms probably had Bob Marley posters in them. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Word. Saying property rights are derived from bodily autonomy seems like a neat way to solve ethical dilemmas inherent to ownership...until you're stuck on a desert island with a dude who can beat you up. And that's kind of how this whole world got started anyway, so it doesn't really track. npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody You'd never see a Kansas City Chiefs bot acting up like this. Just got here yesterday but it's kind of a fun event that's an early marker in this network's growth (although I don't envy you having to work through it all). Damus will have two micro eras: Pre-Bucs and Post-Bucs npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody Jut realized I wasted my very first message on nostr to basically sh*tpost lol. Old habits die hard. This Buccaneers business feels like it could be one of the network's very first memes. Kind of neat to be here for it. Happy NYE everyone! npub1hhnmlmx6ttcwpjglfrsnglfa0tpczgr26mk5vzl9kwqs9h3sdhkq9fwm0z cody For now I'm just going to become a bucs fan, but I don't think that's a scaleable solution.