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I know people are going to fight me on this but they are wrong. It’s like going around jamming a mesh network signal and drowning it with noise. Is it censorship to stop that signal? No, the jamming is disrupting the network.
I almost never suggest this kind of thing at the relay level but you *can’t* do this kind of filtering at the client level, since IPs are not exposed to clients. If we’re pumping megabytes of spam to clients for filtering that is not really ideal either.
Again, this is just a *public* relay issue, a fight I’m not willing to give up yet since you shouldn’t need to pay or KYC to speak #note1h7x…633h

2024-09-18 14:58:29

Impressive stuff as always from the 🍷 relay #note1x34…n656

2024-09-18 14:53:30

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Yeah:
#nevent1q…2we3

2024-09-18 14:46:58

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VPN users should probably not be using public relays, vpns will likely banned eventually due to spammers

2024-09-18 14:34:37

Im ok with centralized banning of spammers on public relays. Hopefully this is the censorship we can all get behind. That and banning cp on media hosts.
I’m ok with coordinated engineering efforts to censor specific things while keeping the network censorship resistant for legitimate activity. Bitcoin is censorship resistant but still “censors” certain types of spam at the p2p layer so everyone can actually use the system for its intended purpose.
Bitcoin is even more extreme, these censorship rules (standardness rules) are centralized and decided by a few people. I’m not even suggesting that, i’m just suggesting a reputation based approach that relays can tap into or not.
Spam does not deserve the same censorship resistance properties as legitimate activity. #note1czy…r2l2

2024-09-18 14:20:18

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The relay is accountable in this case, if i broadcast a note that censors a legitimate user there could be a public investigation and people would no longer trust my ip ban lists. Still tied to trust and reputation.

2024-09-18 13:02:21

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You can only really do this if it was a targeted attack due to my ip based relay rate limits, but it’s possible its slipping through via other relays. I will test this

2024-09-18 12:51:13

Thinking about a noteguard filter that broadcasts nostr notes of the IP address of bots that spam my relay. Then other public relays could read that note and add it to their block list automatically (if they trust me).
Or could be at least be interesting as a diagnostic tool, could follow that account to monitor attacks.
Would be happy if the person spamming me right now gets banned from all public relays. Spammers don’t get censorship resistance on public relays, sorry. #note14dq…36ez

2024-09-18 12:14:07

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yeah its a targeted attack that gets around my rate limiter. i’m already thinking of new kinds of tools on my relay to visualize number of notes coming from certain ip addresses, and a management tool that can ban them with a click.
Attacking me is either really dumb or smart depending on how well they want spam protections to improve.

2024-09-18 08:16:06

The benefit of a p2p network is that clients can do ip banning themselves, clients can see ip addresses from other users (like bitcoin!). On nostr, clients can’t see src ip on incoming notes. This is a nice privacy feature, but prevents clients from doing ip based spam filtering.
Relays *could* pass note source ip info in websocket responses, but i feel like a lot of people wouldn’t like that 😅

2024-09-18 02:12:33

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looks great

2024-09-18 02:01:23

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2024-09-18 02:00:49

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> don’t like other social media
many such cases

2024-09-18 02:00:16

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because 16 is meh?

2024-09-17 18:55:19

nostr: nostrplebs, nostrelites
yestr: nostrtards

2024-09-17 17:13:00

https://youtu.be/lp-BlTbTmqA

2024-09-17 02:00:43

3000 lines of code later... notedeck has mobile-friendly, flexible column routing and navigation for different kinds of views. you can now add and manage accounts! next up: column and deck configuration.
https://cdn.jb55.com/s/notedeck-router.mp4

2024-09-16 22:29:22

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evidence is always poor, including the link you sent me. I will believe it once I see evidence that isn't blurry blobs. we also need radar data to do proper analysis. that is almost never provided.

2024-09-16 21:38:43

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it has never worked for me :( notifications never load

2024-09-16 06:52:28

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https://i.nostr.build/RzolmplMXlLznON2.jpg

2024-09-16 06:45:58

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please show me one example with photographic or radar data that is convincing

2024-09-16 06:37:25

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he was at one point

2024-09-16 06:32:56

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ufos are bullshit

2024-09-16 06:23:03

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Arm bug confirmed

2024-09-16 05:25:24

im ok with 58k

2024-09-16 04:57:18

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Is this really a thing?? https://i.nostr.build/GsgyKIArwpLJcwlO.jpg

2024-09-16 04:52:39

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https://i.nostr.build/JKvpdOkjVLZguD7F.jpg

2024-09-16 02:05:13

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nostrdb will work on android if amethyst integrates it 😇 i should put together kotlin bindings…

2024-09-16 02:02:49

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Damus comes with a relay built in, this is all the benefits of citrine with no work. Maybe vitor will integrate it one day 😁

2024-09-16 01:25:32

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Do you need to make a note of that, can’t you calculate interactivity dynamically?

2024-09-16 01:04:45

My current WoT feed is like I’ve entered a bomb shelter of devs discussing spam fighting strategies. Private rooms are nice to ride out the storm but it’s not a satisfying solution when trying to build the next decentralized public square

2024-09-16 00:51:14

I wonder if clients could automatically calculate a spam score for relays and share this score with the network. Maybe if a user marks a note as spam it could implicitly add this to the relays spam score for the user.
once we have spam scoring algos in clients, we could derive a score for the relay automatically. This would give more insight for users, and for clients to recommend relays in manual mode. Autopilot mode (outbox) could use these scores for choosing which relays to pull from.
This is all annoying stuff i would rather not have to deal with, but it’s clear we will have to deal with it sooner than later.
The saddest part is that the bar for creating a usable nostr client is rising. I’m hoping to add as much of this logic into nostrdb as possible so native client devs don’t have to deal with all of this stuff in the future.

2024-09-15 17:28:50

Saying ai is stealing is like saying being inspired and making art in someone’s style is stealing. It’s just hard for humans because computers learn much faster and it seems unfair that computers can make art in your style with so little effort. #note1v99…lnz3

2024-09-14 18:33:03

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I actually have a purple private relay running now, we just need to hook it into our subscription service

2024-09-14 17:43:30

What’s everyone’s game of choice these days? #gamestr

2024-09-14 15:45:44

It’s sad to me that bitcoin has become political or associated with the cringe “crypto bro” scammers. A *lot* of are against bitcoin now because it is perceived as a tool used by the right or tech bros.
Lots of people are going to suffer if they make bitcoin a political issue. It’s the one lifeboat we got. Hopefully nostr can help change that perception.

2024-09-14 15:21:26

had to look this up but its true. reserve ratio requirement is still at 0%. lmao. https://i.nostr.build/p0apWUrfaVZYvCM3.jpg

2024-09-14 02:37:53

These guys are sitting on dev tools that almost every developer in the world would kill for, and they are only using internally to work on their indie game. wtf. this is reaching terry davis level of programming genius.
Maybe only coders will appreciate this video, but if you've ever programmed before, take a look at this demo. It will reframe your conceptions of what is possible. I'm still in awe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72y2EC5fkcE

2024-09-14 02:01:38

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Our local search is on the main timeline when you pull down. We are moving this over to the profile/hashtag search box soon https://i.nostr.build/9RPEAh1VnHdPzHcM.jpg

2024-09-14 01:47:04

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what do you mean? our search supports that

2024-09-13 20:01:02

Alternatively we can have a “merged list” view that takes any number of lists as input into a single column. Will do both, why not. #note16wz…w4z6

2024-09-13 19:53:53

trying notedeck today with 4 columns of timelines from 4 different people.
One immediate thing that stands out is that there is a lot of overlap between who follows who, so the same note appears at the top of each timeline when it comes in.
It would make sense to have a “unique” view mode that only shows notes at most once across all columns 🤔

2024-09-13 17:19:16

Next damus appstore release fixes albyhub zaps as well! Should be sometime next week. #note1ggt…5qqa

2024-09-13 16:50:49

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Sharing PDFs?

2024-09-13 14:39:22

Sometimes i think the existence of bitcoin means quantum immortality is real and bitcoiners are the ones who will be funding and accelerating life extension somehow. #insomniastr

2024-09-13 05:04:00

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servers are cheap

2024-09-12 22:39:18

Current damus relay data transfer rates:
Avg: 66.27 MBit/s
Min: 12.61 MBit/s
Max: 227.79 MBit/s

2024-09-12 22:37:05

in the past 330 days, the damus relay has transferred 104 TB of notes

2024-09-12 22:26:18

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I wonder if this is why my relay needed to be restarted every hour...

2024-09-12 22:25:10

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down to 10-30 M/s now... thanks man!

2024-09-12 22:22:58

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oh that helped a lot, down to 100 M/s

2024-09-12 22:20:12

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ram is fine, iotop must be tracking reads from virtual memory? i don't get it

2024-09-12 22:16:49

uhhh that seems high. current damus relay disk read rate. I might be bandwidth limited?
Total DISK READ: 1353.25 M/s
https://cdn.jb55.com/s/2b3e34a1a3b57b7f.txt

2024-09-12 22:07:15

me: "what about this one: "crack open a cold one on the deck". the note deck. "
marketing team: ...
me: "sorry I will excuse myself from future meetings"

2024-09-12 21:46:49

AGI anytime now https://i.nostr.build/K3w7pul78pEBXp0w.jpg #note1w0k…kcdg

2024-09-12 21:21:30

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isn't this what opengraph is for, why do other clients have to implement this? this looks like a web embed which isn't relevant to damus.

2024-09-12 21:09:46

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yeah tidal and spotify both support scrobbling to lastfm, so that is a small script that scrobbles lastfm to nostr.
could look into supporting lastfm in damus...

2024-09-12 19:20:28

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yeah I simplified it:
notedeck --pub npub -c contacts -p notifications

2024-09-12 18:57:47

working on some code this morning that will allow you to middle-click a thread to open it as a new column in notedeck (think of opening as a new tab in web browsers). this is nice if you want to monitor a thread over time without navigating/taking over existing columns which is the current behavior.

2024-09-12 06:04:10

Support nostr winemakers. Great bottle as always @npub1s44…2pen ! #winestr 🍷 https://i.nostr.build/FzLXKPK4BFR6SgIo.jpg

2024-09-12 05:27:01

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oh perfect, they just need to copy their WoS lnurl to their profile

2024-09-12 04:19:50

now that damus has push notifications and relay rate limiting, we could actually do follow notifications... should we? it would only work if you have push notifications enabled, so maybe it would be fine to have for people who want that.

2024-09-12 01:04:30

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Yeah i ran into those issues

2024-09-12 00:50:51

continuous carousel. not sure how I feel about it yet but its nice when there are lots of photos
https://cdn.jb55.com/s/notedeck-carousel.mp4

2024-09-11 05:30:42

the japanese are a bit weird but they sure can drink and I respect that

2024-09-11 05:13:41

#nostr devs https://i.nostr.build/CuazBGtyUQbuDjhy.jpg

2024-09-11 03:09:04

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which one?

2024-09-11 02:53:00

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yes

2024-09-11 02:50:30

time to study the blade https://i.nostr.build/5VQC7K5fgaKuF3d6.jpg https://i.nostr.build/E3K5gO4bwQQGNdSL.jpg

2024-09-10 18:49:19

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I don't see reply guy, maybe try using my relays?

2024-09-10 04:19:54

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do it!

2024-09-10 01:14:10

anyone who wants to test notedeck on their android phone or tablet can customize their columns by changing this function:
https://github.com/damus-io/notedeck/commit/4379466d1db434387be5569f61e375059d634df7
and then running with:
cargo apk run --release
hackers welcome!

2024-09-09 23:09:25

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Notedeck caches once and doesn’t update… i like it a lot.

2024-09-09 21:23:28

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on primal you only read from a single relay, theirs. when you configure a relay its only for which relays you write to I believe.
on damus the relay list are both the relays you read from and write to.
some clients even go further and allow you to configure relays you write to and read from separately.

2024-09-09 20:59:39

No way they wouldn’t have any software updates to announce? Sounds like it’s dead. #note1pvc…mvjr

2024-09-09 18:59:20

Opened damus X account to post about notedeck and the first thing it popped in the algo feed was a video of kids playing with a gun and accidentally shooting their cousin in the head and then shooting themself. Now I feel ill. Fuck that app and their algo.

2024-09-09 16:49:38

If you are seeing lots of replyguy spam make sure you aren’t casting a massive net and adding a bunch of public relays with no rate limiting to your relay list. Keep a smaller list of relays that you trust. If it’s a public relay, ask the operator what kinds of spam protections are enabled.
Think “know your farmer” aka “know your relay operator“.
I’ve seen so many accounts with like 30 public relays. You’re just asking to get spammed 😅
Maybe one day you can do this and clients spam protections will handle everything, but we’re not there yet.

2024-09-09 15:55:24

I see people claiming that a single solution solved all spam issues, but in reality each solution has different tradeoffs. Web of Trust has lots of collateral damage. You filter out legitimate posts from people completely outside your circles. I would hate to lose that.
The best anti spam will likely be a combination of anti spam algos and WoT, allowing people outside your circles if the message doesn’t trigger your spam algo.
Lightning is effective as well, but not everyone uses that.

2024-09-09 06:52:31

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we have a friend filter in notifications and dms (top right, hard to see). We still need to add that to threads

2024-09-09 06:48:19

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They are using bostr to spam all public relays

2024-09-09 02:04:25

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the idea of our push notification relay opening up connections to every relay on the planet to try to find notifications didn't seem that scalable.

2024-09-09 02:02:44

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people can add wss://notify.damus.io to push notifications without writing to the damus relay

2024-09-08 20:20:24

Boy breakfast https://i.nostr.build/k6QDIF6UGqmJwCRr.jpg

2024-09-08 04:19:19

Building open source code is like building a perfectly preserved structure that exists forever in time without degredation or decay.
Our DNA/RNA is kind of the same. Once the initial hard work of constructing the code is done, and as long as the information is copied and persists through time, we can construct new versions of ourselves over and over.
Software is "alive" in a similar sense. The main downside is that it is not self-replicating or self-constructing.
Software lines can die out once the system evolves and the APIs become incompatible, so open source code must be contually evolve so that it works in the surrounding systems (OS, hardware), but that is probably the same with any subsystem within ourselves as well.
I like imagining my software as some alien obelisk that stands alone in the universe, waiting to be discovered millions of years in the future by some curious ancient-earth archaeologist.
Maybe code that renders json blobs to reverse-chronological feeds will be as quaint to future intelligences as hunter-gatherer cave paintings. More likely I have just been reading too many hard scifi space operas.
// end of random train of thought, captains log, stardate -298314

2024-09-08 03:45:00

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would be a huge spam vector, not sure how to fix that

2024-09-08 01:00:01

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Guessing its not encoded with the right pixel format -pix_fmt yuv420p with baseline profile. Thats the most common reason videos don’t play.

2024-09-07 23:32:54

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https://damus.io/purple/login

2024-09-07 18:26:53

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What client?

2024-09-07 07:07:50

there is only forward https://i.nostr.build/kM2nAJpMkj9u91ap.jpg

2024-09-07 04:55:53

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The plan is to have a step that compacts the database. Not sure when we’ll have this though :(
https://github.com/damus-io/damus/issues/2224

2024-09-07 04:34:56

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It’s non trivial! We had to write a push notification relay:
https://github.com/damus-io/notepush
and a strfry write policy software that forwards notes from the damus relay to the notification relay:
https://github.com/damus-io/noteguard

2024-09-07 03:23:41

Only elon can save free speech https://i.nostr.build/r5LYKge59k4RkDns.jpg

2024-09-07 03:08:31

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Purple does not have exclusive features (other than ones that cost money like automatic translations). All purple subscribers get is early access to features.

2024-09-07 01:58:22

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Correct

2024-09-07 01:55:33

Now that we have push we could do a feature where you get notified of a particular npubs new posts. Who would use this?

2024-09-07 01:47:03

just voluntarily nuked my mutelist. all are forgiven

2024-09-07 01:11:39

You don’t even need to open the app now to see your feed. I am sorry. https://i.nostr.build/llSicmEH60cVmW1C.jpg #note16vw…jdgj

2024-09-07 01:05:03

Lots more highlights about to be created once we drop appstore version, does your client render it like this!? https://i.nostr.build/MgWRR6WoJZcVS70Y.jpg #note1lkx…ya46