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Who the hell are these people?
@npub1zj6…2zmp do you have any photos of your new mexico ranch and your own animals? and do you list anyway the external ranches and farms you source meat from?
I cooked an incredible bison steak last night, btw. First time!
Thanks! Field Partners sound like an interesting approach to the trust problem. ..are they chosen by Geyser, or can users choose their own Field Partners to trust?
Yea, you could do this on #catallax , more or less. We've had AI agents complete tasks and get paid in real bitcoin before.
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arbiters can choose to set a fee, and users can choose to use their service or select someone else.
curators (on https://grantless.org ) don't really exist at the #catallax protocol level - they're more of a ui/ux feature, supplied by #dlists and #WoT . there's nothing stopping an aspiring curator from using catallax to build out their curation service for a fee.
all these raw materials are available for innovative people ta build markets and economies on top of. this is why the protocol is deliberately unopinionated and the current clients are billed as "reference". i'd like to see others build opinionated systems on top
just a screenshot from minecraft with a realism texture pack installed
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#scythe #mow
what’s this dark wisp i keep hearing about?
I think yea. The hitman is absolutely violating the NAP, but you aren’t. You’re doing something else that I’m pretty sure would get you ostracized or penalized in any Ancapistan, just like trespassing and contract violation isn’t a NAP transgression, but is (voluntarily) agreed to be verboten anyway.
It’s not just “preserves NAP: okay; violates NAP: not okay”. latter, yes. former… depends on the community and their norms and agreements. If you squint the right way, “hitman” or at least “contract enforcer” is basically an expected piece of a voluntarist, NAP-respecting society.
What if you have an agreement with your neighbor that if either knowingly steals the others vegetables, he is consenting to being hunted down and murdered. When your neighbor takes your cucumber, he’s going to expect your “hitman” to come after him.
might consider updating the project description to include these items. in fact, as the Arbiter, i insist that you do so 😆
https://i.nostr.build/s6ZcfbyPe4IbtCDz.png
I'm starting to get the ball rolling here with a puny 5,000 sat crowdfund injection. Who's gonna help get this phase of Smesh development funded? Can we prove that nostr doesn't need OpenSats to survive?
https://www.grantless.org/task/naddr1qvzqqqyz0ypzqnyqqft6tz9g9pyaqjvp0s4a4tvcfvj6gkke7mddvmj86w68uwe0qqhhxmt9wd5x7unv0ykhyetvv9uhwetz94shqupdwd6xzcmt94mkjarg94kkzundda6z6vekx5mnyvcz6vscx
#nevent1q…dtay
Fiiiiiine, I'll get the demon to build it...
https://github.com/vcavallo/simple-caldav-web-client
#nevent1q…f3eh
https://github.com/vcavallo/simple-caldav-web-client
we are all shouting into the void. but we're also all in the void together
thanks, saw that one. ..i already have a self-hosted baikal instance though.
i got claude to build a simple web client for caldav. pretty serviceable!
i got claude to make me a simple web client for calDav last night 😆
not so. newcomers can use the house PoV (nostr.build in this case) or anyone else's. a nostr client could offer a PoV that new users would be able to use effortlessly until they develop their own. there is no cold start problem
proper WoT (like GrapeRank) is not gameable. And you can tune the strictness if you need it more "reliable"
How is it possible there is no Thunderbird-like FOSS web client to work with calDAV servers?
then only allow WoT accounts to upload
i don't love how very opposite of local it is (i can get beef from 3 miles away), but it was delicious and fun to get some protein variety
block accounts, not protocols and networks
this is called a palindrome. like:
No eons no eons no eons no eons no eons no eons no eons no eon.
I followed you as well, the feeling is mutual.
Later! Feel free to ask me anything anytime about all this WoT stuff; it's my favorite thing on the internet 🫡
Lol I made a whole app about it :spitlaugh_lg:
#naddr1qv…7l88
Look at all the articles written by @npub1u5n…ldq3
Oh I won't disappoint!
You're right - the protocol doesn't _handle_ or _do_ the trust, it just provides mechanisms for the **humans** to do their trust-thing.
For instance, GrapeRank and Brainstorm:
- https://brainstorm.world/personalization
- https://github.com/nous-clawds4/tapestry/blob/main/BIBLE.md#2-vision-and-why-it-matters
The Web of Trust and curation protocols that are most promising to me are the ones that are subjectivity-preserving and simple, where the protocol just provides the convenience and rails and the people do the rest of the work, as it should be with something so deeply personal.
yep. relays.land , nostr.build , etc. and i'm happy to pay.
Trust is subjective, Truth is objective (though most likely entirely unapprehendable)
Is that you, @npub16lv…7j3k ....? :)
What projects _specifically_ do you want to personally fund?
Let's get really specific here, and then set those projects up on #catallax / #grantless , and make it simple for **you** and people like you to fund those projects! We have just about everything we need to literally deliver this - and whatever's still missing we can just add.
Very gently WoT for now, but yes!
Open protocol grants, crowdfunds, bounties and gigs + a lot of imagination and foresight on the part of the facilitators and participants.
ahem: https://catallax.network
Once someone develops a positive reputation for "ensuring the money reaches the right elements", those who share that value system will be more inclined to put their money in that direction, or angle their project in the path of that complex
Have you skimmed anything on https://catallax.network or https://grantless.org/about ?
An "arbiter" is a role in the protocol (anyone can perform this role) that is designed to hold the funds (as a simple "escrow") and act as a judge of some sort to determine if the money should go to the fundraisers or be refunded to the funders. The idea is that if the arbiter is someone trustworthy, it acts as a buffer - I'll be more willing to let Jack hold my 100,000 sats while the developer is working on the task than just give 100,000 sats to npubxyzNeverHeardOfHim and hope he doesn't run off with the bitcoin.
A "curator" is just a person who makes a list that informs the cilent UI of which projects to show. It's a way to deal with the fact that this is an open protocol and anyone can author events that would show up in this UI. It's one level of curation and filtering to scope down "universe" into "just this person's purview".
It's the first step to fully PoV-based WoT patchwork worlds.
Personalized curation of the internet, and custom, peer-centric software experiences that are downstream of that point-of-view-based kernel.
very strong value proposition.
I think we're using the term "virtue" differently.
Acting consistently and in directional-alignment with your deepest goals and principles - is virtue. I don't think you can be a long-term bitcoiner without those qualities.
I tried. Got rejected. :)
the "precisely" part is the work of the entity that wants to do this work and would be claiming to be well-positioned to start on it.
But _loosely_: That entity starts a fundraise/grant to do X thing (maybe a particular booth at a particular event, or a narrowly-scoped marketing campaign). People donate to it. In the former example, maybe some of the organizers of the event or some "sponsors" donate.
They raise enough money to do their thing, they do it.
Is this the sort of answer you had in mind?
You're right, of course.
Everywhere else, recipients of value are the majority funders of the value delivered to them; when your electrician fixes your wiring, you pay him for it. Some portion of his current place in the industry and education level was socialized out a bit, but it's a rounding error compared to the direct payments.
But because software can be built once and used by many people, nobody feels that they need to be The One to pay for it. And they're not wrong in that... If it can be copied, it can't be owned; and if it can't be owned, its value drops considerably to the marginal enjoyment or utility it brings you _while using it_.
...So maybe what we're uncovering is that for all the hype and glitter, we actually don't **really** find the current crop of internet/software THAT valuable nor truly enjoyable. It's a bit of a fun goof here and there.
I do believe that'll change as the synergistic effects of open protocol pieces working together starts to yield truly society-altering experiences.
That's what I'm interested in.
No system is sustainable unless its participants are virtuous and themselves self-sustaining
Sounds like someone should start a https://grantless.org project for "nostr marketing and legal/financial advice". A nostr incubator, basically.
The money doesn't (necessarily) go to the person running/requesting the project, but to an "arbiter" role who judges the work and refunds the "donators" if the team doesn't deliver properly. The Patron (project author), Arbiter and Worker "should be" different people, but there's nothing at the protocol level stopping the same npub from occupying multiple of those roles.
Technically, not only is is not different from zap goals - it actually uses them under the hood. https://catallax.network #catallax is a meta-protocol that integrates zap goals into a slightly richer experience - and the clients i'm working on integrate WoT and Dlists to add a curation layer I haven't yet seen with zap goals. https://grantless.org is just an opinionated client on top of catallax.
You can do #catallax tasks as a single-fund or a crowdfund - the latter of which is better suited for #grantless.
#grantless and #catallax are no KYC 😎
A thing that came from this drama: I built https://grantless.org as a friendly shot across the bow of OpenSats
kale!
...unless you're referring to my ancient/futurist practices.. that black magic is confidential. subscribe to my substack for courses!
it's pretty weird to take a break from scythe-mowing like i'm a 1600s peasant to check in on my fleet of futuristic AIs like its the 2100s (and post about it on a freedom comms protocol).
the present is much stranger and more wonderful than i ever imagined the future being, in the past.
https://npub19ma2w9dmk3kat0nt0k5dwuqzvmg3va9ezwup0zkakhpwv0vcwvcsg8axkl.blossom.band/134f2dd238aa4fa88a49ea4923092a69ce6b2f7fb69c893906321be7c1080abf.jpg