straycat
david

Pretty Good Freedom Tech
https://pgf.tech
neurologist and web of trust enthusiast

Public Key

npub1u5njm6g5h5cpw4wy8xugu62e5s7f6fnysv0sj0z3a8rengt2zqhsxrldq3

NIP-05 Address

Profile Code

nprofile1qqsw2feday2t6vqh2hzrnwywd9v6g0yayejgx8cf83g7n3ue594pqtcpzamhxue69uhkummnw3ezuendwsh8w6t69e3xj7sprdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuamfdd5kvun9v4jxjcfw0puh5pxvvsv

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nostr.fmt.wiz.biz

relay.wikifreedia.xyz

nostr.oxtr.dev

Author Public Key

npub1u5njm6g5h5cpw4wy8xugu62e5s7f6fnysv0sj0z3a8rengt2zqhsxrldq3

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2024-09-12 16:50:45

#100aDayUntil100k
#100pushups
50 x 2 regular
day 223✔️

2024-09-12 14:52:06

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GM and PV! 🤙🏻🌞🫂

2024-09-12 14:49:51

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GM and PV! 🤙🏻 ☕️ ☀️

2024-09-12 05:32:07

#100aDayUntil100k
#100pushups
catch-up day!
50 x 6 regular
days 220✅, 221✔️, 222✅

2024-09-10 18:36:28

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Maybe we’ll need to start using badges or labels or something to identify which pubkeys we’re following even though we think they’re bots 🤖

2024-09-10 14:39:51

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GM!

2024-09-09 03:56:05

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Also, the reason we’re using follows and mutes to build the baseline grapevine WoT score is that that’s the best available source of raw data. But the grapevine is designed so that you can pull in multiple sources of data into a single score’s calculation. So if bad actors start to weasel their way into the networks, and people care enough to want to weed them out, then we can start to employ NIP-58 badges or NIP-32 labels or NIP-51 lists to help us distinguish the good vs bad actors. And those datasets can be worked easily into the score. In this way, you neutralize the strategies of the bad actors as they implement them. My expectation is that you will be able to modify your grapevine more easily and more quickly than the bots can implement their attacks. Which will hopefully make it less profitable to create bot farms in the first place.

2024-09-09 02:15:29

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That’s always a possibility. If it becomes a problem, like if you see your extended WoT network grow by 20k bc someone 4 hops away from you followed 20k spammers, you just unfollow and mute that pubkey. Or maybe one or more others in your network find the problem before you do and unfollow / mute the bad actor, and the problem is solved before you’re even affected.

2024-09-09 02:04:45

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Everyone’s score is zero by default unless there is at least one path of follows from me to the user in question. So the wannabe spammer would probably also have a score of zero, which means it doesn’t matter (from my point of view) who the wannabe spammer is following.
Hope that addresses your question

2024-09-08 23:00:20

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The grapevine algo would ignore those 10000 npubs, because their grapevine WoT score is zero by default.

2024-09-08 21:14:14

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I’ve watched this movie almost as many times as I’ve watched the Godfather.

2024-09-08 21:02:38

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https://youtu.be/bkJ3YGKH2V4

2024-09-08 20:53:11

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Just ran it, did a little mini zapathon and seems to be working so far! ⚡️ ⚡️ ⚡️
🙏🏼

2024-09-08 19:00:50

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There was a script I ran way back in the day to reenable zaps in damus after Apple disallowed them. Maybe a bug in that script?

2024-09-08 18:47:43

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Damus 1.9.1
WoS 2.6.0

2024-09-08 18:27:29

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Yup 👍🏻

2024-09-08 18:13:47

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Mostly use it in the US without a VPN.
I just changed Paste from Other Apps from ask to allow — wonder if that has anything to do with it (maybe WoS not allowing damus to paste the sats amount?)

2024-09-08 17:35:31

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The grapevine algorithm addresses the scenario where just one person follows spammers, because it takes more than just one follow to boost someone’s grapevine WoT score all the way from 0 (the default) to 1.

2024-09-07 18:19:42

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That’s two new follows for me. (I was already following @npub1zaf…26k5 😊)
Project / Product Manager, Head of Product, Chief Product Officer …
Good product managers are key to the success of any project past the PoC stage.

2024-09-07 05:06:03

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Here’s a geeky overview of the grapevine algo where I draw comparisons to PageRank and make the case for the differences between PageRank and “GrapeRank.” Specifically, why the introduction of a nonlinear term is unavoidable.
https://habla.news/u/[email protected]/1725006462512

2024-09-07 04:40:00

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Yup. The algo is similar in some respects to PageRank, but with a few very important changes. It’s implemented right now at grapevine.my but it’s embedded in react, so we’ve just started the process of rewriting the algo as a standalone js library. Might do other languages after that, haven’t decided yet.

2024-09-07 02:08:30

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Haha yes the possibilities are endless!
But they will all use the core library we’re working on right now! 🤓

2024-09-07 02:05:12

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Is there a setting for me to see follows + their follows + their follows? Or N hops?

2024-09-06 21:03:09

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Bookmarked ⚡️

2024-09-06 03:08:03

#100aDayUntil100k
#100pushups
40 decline
20 archer
40 regular
My first time to incorporate archer pushups!!
day 216 ✅

2024-09-05 16:56:28

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Shut down my fav nostr app? Arrest the CEO?
My account still works. My notes are still there.
The purple honey badger don’t care.
🦡

2024-09-04 22:24:53

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💎 pushups are based 💪🏻

2024-09-04 22:23:49

#100aDayUntil100k
#100pushups
40 + 30 + 30 decline
day 215 ✔️

2024-09-03 06:24:38

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https://video.nostr.build/a25c62953c37f4af155c6fee473a8089ea7c826cdbd73c6d6535e0169b84c4e9.mp4

2024-09-03 05:52:32

#100aDayUntil100k
#100pushups
Catching up:
40 x 2 decline with weights
20 decline
50 + 25 + 25 regular
50 x 4 regular
days 210✅, 211✔️, 212✅, 213✔️

2024-09-02 20:24:48

Badges for pubkeys (NIP-58) and labels for events (NIP-32) may prove to be rich sources of data for the grapevine.
#WoT

2024-09-02 19:31:55

At the deepest level, the “mind virus” refers to a fundamentally flawed epistemology.

2024-09-02 03:15:52

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In nostr, an id and a naddr differ in the sense that naddr points to data that is replaceable.
But they’re both “addressable” in the sense that you’ve got some data, and you’ve got a string that is an “address” for the data.
Does the word “addressable” necessarily imply that the data is replaceable?

2024-09-02 02:43:06

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TIL (well, inferred) that naddr is shorthand for nostr + addressable 🤷🏻‍♂️

2024-09-02 00:54:27

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I was excited to watch it — so many great actors — but ended up very disappointed. Seems like the moral compass of the show is all over the place

2024-09-01 23:25:48

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Just realized I messed up the link to the article
Reposted here:
https://habla.news/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpef89h53f0fsza2ugwdc3e54nfpun5nxfqclpy79r6w8nxsk5yp0qqxnzdejx5crqd35xcer2vfjzk7hzn

2024-09-01 23:10:02

Yesterday I finished this long form post where I review much of the formalism of the grapevine. In the process I’ve come up with something I call the Grapevine Worldview: a formal method of offloading to your WoT the task of interpreting and processing data and content that already exists in the wild to produce contextual scores for users, products, businesses, whatever you want. In a way that will allow you to sort content. Exactly what we all want from WoT, with no expectation for users to produce “ratings” in unnatural ways. And the construction of Worldviews will be highly intuitive and will depend very much on the value system of the user.
Feedback is welcome 🙏🏼 😊
https://habla.news/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpef89h53f0fsza2ugwdc3e54nfpun5nxfqclpy79r6w8nxsk5yp0qqxnzdejx5crqd35xcer2vfjzk7hzn

2024-08-31 23:38:17

Just finished this long form post where I review much of the formalism of the grapevine. In the process I’ve come up with something I call the Grapevine Worldview: a formal method of offloading to your WoT the task of interpreting and processing data and content that already exists in the wild to produce contextual scores for users, products, businesses, whatever you want. In a way that will allow you to sort content. Exactly what we all want from WoT, with no expectation for users to produce “ratings” in unnatural ways. And the construction of Worldviews will be highly intuitive and will depend very much on the value system of the user.
Feedback is welcome 🙏🏼 😊
https://habla.news/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpef89h53f0fsza2ugwdc3e54nfpun5nxfqclpy79r6w8nxsk5yp0qqxnzdejx5crqd35xcer2vfjzk7hz #note1u97…342u

2024-08-30 18:30:42

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Would a purple check not be a useful UI pattern for this particular problem? If you see a familiar name and avatar + a check on a client that supports it, you’ll be pretty confident it’s not an impostor.

2024-08-30 11:42:07

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I thought I heard someone mention having problems with impersonator accounts on nostr. Which of course are all over the place in Xitter. But perhaps they’re already being filtered out by the various existing nostr WoT scores. Or just not a problem yet bc nostr is still too niche.

2024-08-30 11:16:38

Imagine this:
The Nostr Purple Check. 🍇
Used by public personas to combat impersonators.
Curated by your web of trust.
Why has no one done this?
#WoT

2024-08-29 15:30:39

#WoT FTW 🔥 #note1y5t…amje

2024-08-29 14:17:18

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“Who’s to say” — always hard to know where to go with that question. Who’s to say that coke is better than Pepsi, or bitcoin is better than shitcoin, or meat is healthier than seed oils, or that the earth is round and not flat?
Some of these statements communicate subjective taste. Some are statements of fact.
Some are statements of utility. Hammers are more useful than feathers for hammering a nail. But who’s to say? That’s just, like, your opinion, man! 😂
Some WoT algos are useful. Some are not. So do you think it is reasonable or worthwhile for me (or anyone) to promote algo1 as being more useful than algo2?
Is it a waste of time or a good use of time for us to ask the question: is this algo useful? Could there be a better one? https://i.nostr.build/EXhwoHEw0yQvGTRi.jpg

2024-08-29 13:34:49

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💯 to needing a better metric regarding npubs.
Maybe PageRank. Except … that won’t work. PageRank is an extrinsic metric. Follower count is another extrinsic metric. I want an intrinsic metric.
Example of an extrinsic metric: fame. It’s a relationship between the user and the community.
Examples of intrinsic metrics: height, weight, intelligence. Those things are independent of the community.
PageRank is an extrinsic metric, kinda like fame. We need to modify it so it’s an intrinsic metric, more like intelligence.
GrapeRank is a modification of PageRank that converts it into an intrinsic metric.
Suppose I want to know the height of user1. Users 2, 3, and 4 estimate 5’11, 6’1, and 6’0, and communicate those results to me. What do I do with those numbers?
One idea is to add them together. User1 is … 18 ‘ tall. Obviously that’s the wrong metric. This is the PageRank approach.
The right metric: weighted average, which comes to 6 feet, give or take, depending on which of users 2,3,4 I trust the most.
GrapeRank is a weighted average. Simple as that.
GrapeRank is a nonlinear equation, as opposed to PageRank, which is linear. But who cares? Use the easy algo and get the useless metric (18 feet), or the slightly harder algo and get a useful answer that estimates objective reality (~ 6 feet).
Trynta write this out in long form today. 🤓

2024-08-29 10:23:48

My article is slowly morphing into a mathematics manuscript with a dollup of cypherpunk manifesto. 🤓😜 #note1l3w…8crv

2024-08-29 08:50:31

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Unwholesome, inflammatory crap generates attention, clicks and follows. But we left the advertising model and the influencer economy behind. So the biggest motivation for that stuff has been removed.

2024-08-29 08:09:09

#WoT fixes this. ™️ https://i.nostr.build/guq06w3WA9a0ZRIX.jpg

2024-08-29 08:04:28

Wondering if I should call the grapevine WoT score “GrapeRank” to distinguish it from other WoT scoring methods.
GrapeRank has some similarities to PageRank. Both start with a graph - nodes and edges - and calculate an “importance” score for the nodes based on the edges.
Both can be calculated iteratively.
There are a few differences. PageRank is linear which means it can be solved efficiently and exactly using matrix algebra. GrapeRank is nonlinear, so must be done iteratively which is less efficient. But for anyone who loves freedom tech, there are good reasons to make it nonlinear.
There are two ways in which GrapeRank is freedom tech while PageRank is fiat.
First, PageRank assumes a bird’s eye view of the network. This is an assumption every freak knows is anathema to cypherpunk ethos. Some communities want to be visible; others do not, or may want to be visible selectively, with perhaps their very existence known only to trusted individuals.
Second, PageRank is well suited for the influencer economy, rewarding users with high follower counts who command attention and bring in ad revenue for our tech overlords. GrapeRank, on the other hand, serves the plebs, not our tech overlords. The nonlinear equation is an exponential decay that tames the follower count by converting the count, which has no upper bound, into a confidence between 0 and 1. As the follower count (trusted followers only) stretches into infinity, the confidence approaches 1 asymptotically using an exponential decay term. In other words, GrapeRank recognizes that high follower count gives you greater confidence that the user is not a bot, but does so in a way that does not simply recapitulate the influencer-focused scoring method of PageRank.
PageRank is fiat.
GrapeRank is freedom tech.

2024-08-29 07:03:12

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Yup I do the same! I think I’ve had to do up to 4 days at a time 😅

2024-08-29 06:59:40

#100aDayUntil100k
#100pushups
Doing this one early:
50 + 30 + 20 regular, a few minutes between each set
day 209✔️

2024-08-29 06:37:33

#100aDayUntil100k
#100pushups
Playing some catch up!
50 x 6 regular
day 206✅, 207✔️, 208✅

2024-08-28 22:35:39

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Does Lex know about nostr?

2024-08-28 18:18:21

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Yeah you probably need to at least refresh the page once 🔨

2024-08-28 17:54:34

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Here’s what I see (not logged in) https://i.nostr.build/GuHLzgOKpohPWAGh.jpg

2024-08-28 17:48:08

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On listr?
See if this works:
https://listr.lol/npub1u5njm6g5h5cpw4wy8xugu62e5s7f6fnysv0sj0z3a8rengt2zqhsxrldq3/30000/naddr1qqfkjmnxd36k2mnrv4fkxmmjv4e5c6tnwsq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnyqgsw2feday2t6vqh2hzrnwywd9v6g0yayejgx8cf83g7n3ue594pqtcrqsqqqafse7w7jf

2024-08-28 17:40:20

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And here:
https://listr.lol/npub1ty3ftnetpxnlj42lgwkmwdxta69gfm5f9mfljvmwdgymvsf6pkuswhxq4p/30000/naddr1qqfkjmnxd36k2mnrv4fkxmmjv4e5c6tnwsq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnyqgs9jg54eu4snfle24058tdhxn97az5ya6yja5lexdhx5zdkgyaqmwgrqsqqqafswt3w89

2024-08-28 17:39:20

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I can also see your list here:
https://njump.me/naddr1qqfkjmnxd36k2mnrv4fkxmmjv4e5c6tnwsq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnyqgs9jg54eu4snfle24058tdhxn97az5ya6yja5lexdhx5zdkgyaqmwgrqsqqqafswt3w89

2024-08-28 16:22:29

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The grapevine method is the best response I can think of to the XKCD on standards that we all know and love: https://i.nostr.build/fUEDsBnkQhR9IVc5.jpg

2024-08-28 16:13:18

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I see your list — yeah, didn’t populate it at all except for your pubkey. Check out my Grapevine list on listr to see what it is supposed to look like.
When you built the list were you signed in using an extension? Smartphone?

2024-08-28 16:08:15

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I find listr useful to view the list itself. It’s easy to scroll down and check who you’re following and who you’re not.
At first we just exported the top 1000 and you’d get a mix of current follows and suggested follows, but then we figured we’d omit current follows so you’d get a fresh feed from high quality pubkeys.
Soon you’ll be able to generate multiple lists. With / without current follows; Grapevine page 1, page 2, etc

2024-08-28 16:04:18

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No one new? It should omit the pubkeys you’re already following when it builds the list. Did it not do that?

2024-08-28 15:52:04

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Can any #Amethyst users help a beaver out? How to import a NIP-51 list and browse a feed and whatever else you can do with it?
#askNostr

2024-08-28 15:49:26

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Start out going to listr.lol and see if you have a list with “Grapevine” in the title

2024-08-28 15:28:52

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Yes but quite doable. Too much to do on the fly on the front end, but the heavy lifting can be done ahead of time on the back end.
I built a front end demo using only two data inputs (follows and mutes) which is how I realized it’s too much for the front end. @npub1man…n9tn streamlined the download process into a single click and you can try it out here:
http://grapevine.my
It will output the top 1000 recommended pubkeys minus the ones you already follow as a NIP-51 list which you can upload to a few clients (Coracle, Amethyst, nostrudel maybe?) and browse the feed when you get tired of you follows feed. Great way to discover new high quality follows.
@npub10np…tl5h and @npub1man…n9tn and I are working on replicating the above but calculating scores on the back end using a relay that already has follows and mutes data, so no need to dump all of that onto the browser, much better UX.

2024-08-28 14:06:32

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GM! ⚡️

2024-08-28 14:05:38

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GM! 🐸

2024-08-28 13:45:25

If @npub1qny…95gx were to add bitcoin core developer to his resume, you’d have @npub1sn0…tr2x: investor (Recursive Capital ~ Ten31), FOSS (Btrust ~ OpenSats), great instincts & insight into the space of freedom tech. #note1ar3…sx30

2024-08-27 22:36:27

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To clarify: if G on the left and G on the right are not the same score, then it’s not recursive and there’s no need to iterate.
Unless you do something like you mention previously, where G(a)-> G(b)-> G(c)-> G(a) (G(a) means the grapevine score in the context of a, and the arrow means the score for one context is calculated using score corresponding to a different context as weights), in which case it is recursive in a multi-step fashion. There might be instances where we do that, or we might decide it’s not worth the energy expenditure, so we avoid it.

2024-08-27 21:42:52

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Let’s consider the following scenario:
One graph divided into two neighborhoods, n1 and n2. There is a region of overlap, but neither neighborhood is a subset of the other. Observer1 has a full view of n1, and O2 a full view of n2. O1 calculates scores via PageRank or the Grapevine method (GrapeRank, lol) on n1 and o2 runs them on n2.
Neither observer can see outside of the other’s neighborhood, with the following caveat: o1 and o2 can communicate with each other. Given any one of the nodes in the area of overlap, each can ask the other: what is the score (PageRank or GrapeRank) of that node, as calculated from YOUR perspective?
Just to illustrate: Alice (o1) can say that her Grapevine tells her that Bob (a node in the area of overlap) is a great guy (has a high Grapevine score). Then Charlie (o2) can turn around and say that his Grapevine tells him that Bob is a spook (Grapevine score is low), so watch out!
I have a question. At nostriga you stated n1 and n2 were “similar” (difference is less than some known value) and that this allows us to conclude that PageRank … has a unique solution? Is “nice” in some other respect? I’m not sure how to state your claim precisely. I’m presuming you meant that if o1 and o2 run PageRank separately, then we can assume that the sum of the differences in scores of the nodes in the area of overlap as calculated by o1 and o2 is less than some constant delta. Or maybe the stricter condition that for any individual node, the difference in scores calculated be the 2 observers is always less than some delta. Have I stated that correctly? https://i.nostr.build/nJfZs55d6RBICBWG.jpg

2024-08-27 21:01:38

Still working on this article.
tl/dr:
GrapeRank > PageRank
GrapeRank is PageRank, but true to the cypherpunk ethos: no one has a bird’s eye view of the full network.
#WoT
#Grapevine 🍇 #note1u97…342u

2024-08-27 18:19:32

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You’re making presumptions about the grapevine that aren’t true.
Here’s what you need to know: it can use data from just about any source. It doesn’t have to be follows or mutes. It can be anything.
Something else to know: my grapevine does not need publicly available data. It can consume data that is available to me and only me. No need for that data to be publicly available to everyone.
Out of all the data in the world, if some large percentage is unavailable to me, and some small piece is available to me, then my grapevine operates on that small piece.
To illustrate the method itself, I use follows and mutes bc that data is available and it’s the best data available to demonstrate the method. The fact that I’m using follows and mutes today for illustrative purposes should not be construed to imply that I think you should necessarily keep them public.

2024-08-27 15:51:31

Super-easy-to-spin-up personal or community relays like @npub10np…tl5h ‘s relay.tools makes possible can be a useful tool to publish stuff to a well defined network.
Subscribers are limited to your network. Your #WoT can help curate the network in a dynamic fashion so you don’t have to do it manually.
This method isn’t perfect, bc it doesn’t prevent someone in the network from
rebroadcasting any given note. Still, a certain measure of privacy. #note1f89…jmlq

2024-08-27 11:43:24

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Content discovery is a huge pain point on nostr, and this is a problem I want the grapevine to address. The grapevine score is designed to serve as a weight, useful for weighted averages or vote tabulation. If we have a system where you can either self-attest you like to write about topic X or recommend others as good follows for some topic (maybe badges can do this?), the grapevine can synthesize that info into recommendation lists. If Alice wants to find great follows for SomeTopic, her grapevine will have a rec list for that, and you’ll probably be on it if there are indicators you should be.
#WoT
#grapevine

2024-08-27 01:06:55

The American political landscape is realigning. No more red vs blue. It will soon be green vs orange.
As predicted.

2024-08-26 11:55:12

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I know there are quest and labcorp labs that will take any paying customer, and you can prepay at walkinlabs. You select the labs you want and select labcorp vs quest. But other labs are tied with specific offices so you can’t do that. I had presumed that general purpose quest and labcorps are everywhere in the US but maybe not in your area? 😬

2024-08-26 10:21:14

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You can’t really “fork” nostr. Not like you can fork bitcoin.
I guess you could say there are lots of “forks” already, with different people experimenting with different NIPs. But guess what? They’re still (mostly) interoperable. Unlike something like bluesky, which is more like bitcoin. Change one tiny detail and you have to build your userbase from scratch. No interoperability whatsoever.
This is one of nostr’s greatest strengths.

2024-08-26 10:14:26

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The fact that the brain can associate a concept with a sound is obviously a prerequisite for language. That, plus the ability to arrive at social consensus on which words mean what.
A sound that points to a concept is kinda like a unique identifier in a sql table. If the unique identifier is missing, the information in the row gets lost.
I conjecture that some people’s brains have a very hard time keeping track of concepts that are not associated with a word that has received the stamp of approval of the group. Maybe for some people, it is verboten to build the unique identifier for a certain class of thoughts in a manner that does not incorporate a socially approved word. But maybe other people employ a workaround, which facilitates their manipulation of concepts that have no words.
Education can either cultivate the workaround or it can destroy it. Our societal overlords want to destroy it so they can control us by controlling the social consensus on language. Something like a third of the population can sense their efforts and the rest cannot, bc they have no words to describe what’s happening under the hood.
This is one of the great challenges of neuroscience, to give us the words and the understanding. So we can resist.

2024-08-26 09:44:38

Using trust scores as weights for voting, average score keeping, etc is the equivalent of the difficulty adjustment for bitcoin.
Stupidly simple idea, but no one has ever done it. Trying to build web of trust without using trust scores as weights is like trying to build bitcoin without the difficulty adjustment. You’re teased with tantalizing progress, but ultimate failure.
This is why using trust scores as weights is one of the essential features of the grapevine approach to WoT.
#WoT
#Grapevine #note1nxx…pr3v

2024-08-26 09:33:12

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On the topic of relays, for example. Imagine if your web of trust could inform you in near-real time which relays are good to use in what context, which are compromised in any one of a variety of ways, etc.

2024-08-26 09:30:56

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Bitcoin isn’t perfect. Imperfect privacy, too expensive, too slow, all that. But I’d argue that layers 2 and higher allow us to improve gradually, maybe even to approach perfection asymptotically. It’s beautiful to see and I feel privileged to watch it getting built before my eyes in real time. 🙏🏼
Nostr isn’t perfect. But I see it as the best playground to get web of trust to work, after over three decades (since the advent of PGP) of abysmal failure. Once we’ve discovered the WoT-equivalent of the difficulty adjustment, we’ll be on our way. 🚀
#WoT

2024-08-25 18:33:53

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THATSMUCHBETTERTYVM

2024-08-25 18:30:24

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allcapsplzicanthearyou

2024-08-25 18:25:23

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walkinlab should allow you to order and pay for a big list of tests at quest or labcorp. Although some states won’t let you because of, ya know, reasons. In which case I think it works just to change your home address to a diff state.

2024-08-25 17:38:50

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btw have you taken a look at the d-tags when you create a new list on listr? Non human readable. I think that may be inevitable for us.

2024-08-25 17:34:34

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This is very insightful. I hadn’t thought of it quite that way.
My naive impulse is to store many pieces of info in the d-tag, as dictated by the fact that the d tag is what’s used to update NIP-51 lists, but then to store each or every of those pieces in their own customized tags if we think a client may want to search based on those tags. I have used this technique in my initial nostr implementations of the concept graph.
And when that gets too complicated … I have solutions but I don’t want to go there yet. Way too deep for this thread. We won’t solve everything at the stage we’re at right now.
What do you think of my naive impulse? Keeping in mind that our immediate path forward must address the paradigm shift you mention.

2024-08-25 16:50:46

Another use case for the grapevine score: order of users when searching for them
The current NIP-51 list exported at
http://grapevine.my
omits pubkeys you’re already following. For this application, you’d want the list to include those pubkeys.
@npub10np…tl5h ,
@npub1man…n9tn , we will need to standardize d-tags so clients know which NIP-51 grapevine list to pick for any given application. #note1hqs…rlt6

2024-08-25 12:09:21

The #Grapevine will be useful for generous but clueless benefactors to know which unrecognized open source devs are deserving of support. If all y’all greedy mofos want more sats to stack, the 🍇 will be your friend.
#WoT

2024-08-25 12:00:31

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cc @npub1man…n9tn @npub10np…tl5h

2024-08-25 11:59:01

@npub1cgd…kfex — do you have a way to filter out spam when you calculate poll results?
If not, I propose the Grapevine WoT Score as the weight for each vote.
Users go to this site and export a personalized NIP-51 list that contains the scores. The score is specifically designed to be a weight for purposes like this.
Your site can import the list, extract the scores, and replace the Show Results button with Show Grapevine Results depending on whether the list is available for the logged in user.
http://grapevine.my
It needs polish but hopefully you can see the idea. #note1kc3…gejd

2024-08-25 11:39:17

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Actually there is a copy at the booth but it’s their last one https://i.nostr.build/kQUiIPZQROiiog4w.jpg

2024-08-25 11:34:48

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This is all they have right now at the booth https://i.nostr.build/c2rASDl8lSzSr3Pl.jpg

2024-08-25 11:31:14

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Cool, never seen that! 💜
I don’t see a way to filter out spam though …

2024-08-25 11:16:25

weighted averages are dot products
dot products play a prominent role in LLMs
not a coincidence
#WoT
#Grapevine #note1cqv…nghn

2024-08-25 11:11:40

a #WoT score that can be used as the weight for voting or for weighted averaging
That is the key to the future

2024-08-25 11:04:53

Does nostr have an app to create polls?
#askNostr #note1sl3…g02k

2024-08-25 11:04:36

Wishing I could do a poll of @npub1the…4dha members:
- do you run a lightning node using BTCPayServer?
- do you use a VPS or host the node at home?

2024-08-25 10:26:45

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like relay.tools?
@npub10np…tl5h

2024-08-25 10:21:43

@npub16c0…6nvr saying on stage that nostr #WoT is being used for mint reputation for ecash mint discovery
Fair statement? How well is the nostr #WoT system working for this use case?

2024-08-25 08:02:50

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It truly does 🙏🏼

2024-08-24 13:39:41

Adding this to my listening list #note1nuc…v68u